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Gaza: Hamas exploits death over life : Comments

By David Singer, published 29/7/2014

The failure of many Gazans to leave their homes and seek safer shelter has been a major contributor to the increasing number of civilian deaths and casualties in Gaza.

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It's worth noticing how many of the comments here could have been made during the war by Hitler's sympathisers in Germany and formally neutral but collaborating countries like Switzerland complaining about the Resistance, and advising victims under enemy occupation to be good chaps and stop resisting the Reich as it only brings hellfire down on them. After all, surrender would have shortened the war (while of course extending slavery and dispossession longer and ever more widely)

Different times, but exactly the same principles apply in parallel circumstances today. And exactly the same kind of people advancing exactly the same advice.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 31 July 2014 12:51:13 PM
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@Emperor J,

Hitler would have made a great HAMAS operative right down to his teetotalism --and some of the Hamas apologists on this thread have done some pretty good renditions of goosestepping!
Posted by SPQR, Thursday, 31 July 2014 1:36:13 PM
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Dear Julian,

So lets suppose that the Australian aboriginals offered resistance to the fact that you live here. Suppose they called on you to "return to England", notwithstanding the fact that you were born in Australia and never even been in England. Now suppose you refused to return to England (not that England would be so happy to take you either), so they started shooting rockets on your home, digging under it and trying to kill you in any way they could, surely you wouldn't complain about that resistance...?

The power-balance between Palestinians and Israelis is about the same as between aboriginals and Australia, so do you think that they have any chance to throw the Israelis out, or just kill them off, ever?

Suppose even that the Palestinians are right - would that convince you to move to England, or assuming that England would not accept you, would it convince you to move to a refugee-camp in Somalia instead?

The anti-Nazi resistance was intelligent and responsible, yet your Palestinian buddies are fools! The way they behave they will NEVER get anything but their own death and the death of their children, with lots of misery in between. They could have got by now almost all they ever wanted: almost, except for throwing the Israelis to the Mediterranean sea - but as they won't settle for any less, they end up with NOTHING!

Meanwhile, I have every reason to complain, because this lame "resistance" has brought the Jewish settlers to power in Israel. Without their futile violence, Israel could have become a normal country long ago and would have returned their 1967 territories too and gave the Palestinians equal rights and respect and what-not. Without their infantile tantrums, Zionism would be long dead and buried by now. It's them who keep it alive!

Any better definition for the word 'IDIOTS'?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 31 July 2014 2:13:19 PM
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David Singer has laid out his case for forcible occupation of other people’s land as “good” vs their resistance as “evil”. To try to justify this obscenely anti-moral stand he has focused on Hamas’s ridiculous claim in favour of one Moslem sect vs other ones, just as the vilest element of the wartime Germans (who have thankfully been largely cauterised out by utter and humiliating defeat) could focus on the evil of the NKVD to hypocritically decry resistance to Germany’s theft of others’ land. He even depicts acceptance that robbery is “good”, and resistance by the robbed “evil”, as being somehow “manly”.

His and others’ support for his racist “country” (and it sure ain’t Australia) is in full keeping with its modelling itself on the thieves’ mythical ancestors – see Deuteronomy 20:17 at http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/20-17.htm

The world has much reason to thank the Gazans for resisting the robbers, as the day the robbed of the world give up resisting robbery will be the end of decent civilisation.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 31 July 2014 3:27:04 PM
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I am usually loathed to make comparisons between what happens in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and what happened under German rule for obvious reasons. I deem it an insult to all those who lost their lives in extermination camps and to the tragedy that befell the Jewish people in Europe during the war.

But the continuing wholesale slaughter of innocents within Gaza has made observing such niceties almost an act of complicity and thus something I now refuse to do.

I was struck by a parallel made by British MP James Galloway between what is happening in Gaza and the Warsaw Uprising of 1943;

“What else is Gaza but a Warsaw Ghetto? When the people, the heroes, of the uprising of the Warsaw Ghetto, who decided they'd rather die on their feet, than live on their knees, desperate for food and water, rose up and tackled their besiegers – those who were keeping them in that Warsaw Ghetto – they were rightly hailed and are remembered in history as freedom fighters, as heroes. Yet the Palestinians, when they rise up out of their Warsaw Ghetto, are called terrorists in your country, and in my country, never mind in the country that is doing the besieging,”

Quoting from Wikipedia;

“Hanna Krall, who interviewed the only surviving uprising commander, Marek Edelman (from the left-wing Jewish Combat Organization, Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa, ŻOB), stated that the ŻOB had 220 fighters and each was armed with a handgun, grenades, and Molotov cocktails. His organization had three rifles in each area, as well as two land mines and one submachine gun in the whole Ghetto. The insurgents had little ammunition; more weapons were supplied throughout the uprising, and some were captured from the Germans. Some weapons were handmade by the resistance; sometimes such weapons worked, other times they jammed repeatedly.”

Note the different militia, the hand made weapons, the lack of decent armaments to match the enemy.

Cont..
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 31 July 2014 3:49:32 PM
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Further on Nazi comparisons. It is pretty clear that HAMAS have studied Joseph Goebbels very closely!

And I was going to compare Steele with Goebbels too, but on second thoughts Steele is more in the class of Lord Haw Haw : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Haw-Haw
Posted by SPQR, Thursday, 31 July 2014 4:13:38 PM
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