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Gaza: Hamas exploits death over life : Comments
By David Singer, published 29/7/2014The failure of many Gazans to leave their homes and seek safer shelter has been a major contributor to the increasing number of civilian deaths and casualties in Gaza.
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 4 August 2014 9:33:43 PM
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#SteeleRedux
Gabor Mate does not believe in the right of the Jewish people to have their own State. http://www.connexions.org/CxLibrary/Docs/CX5262-ZionismDividesUs.htm You endorse Mate's views so I can only assume you are also opposed to a Jewish State. Is that right? Gabor Mate's views would be applauded by Hamas - which declares in Article 11 of its Charter: "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?" To achieve this absolutist objective - Hamas declares in Article 13 of the Charter: "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with." Hamas is uncompromising, unrelenting and determined to see the elimination of the Jewish State currently home for 6.3 million Jews and 1.2 million Arabs - and Gabor Mate walks along proudly with these evil plotters of Jihad to attain their objective. "Gross imbalance of power" is a false furphy. "Gross imbalance of death over life" is the issue - Good triumphing over Evil or wholesale slaughter of Jews if Good fails to triumph is the outcome. Look at what is happening to the ancient Christian communities in Syria and Iraq right now by Jihadists before your very eyes. You claim Gabor Mate " is not unaffected by Jewish nationalism" Where do you get that idea from? He wants to have no part of it. Posted by david singer, Monday, 4 August 2014 10:59:01 PM
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Dear David Singer,
The Hamas declaration could just as easily be written as; 'The Zionist Movement believes that the land of Palestine is now a Jewish state called Israel consecrated for future Jewish generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single country nor all countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization such as the UN nor all of them, be they Eastern or Western, possess the right to do that. Palestine is now the Jewish State of Israel land consecrated for Jewish generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Jewish generations till Judgement Day?' You tell me the difference. And this; “"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with." Which to all intents and purposes could read; '"There is no solution for the securing as much of the land of Palestine as part of a Jewish state except through occupation, blockade, subjugation, torture, kidnap, and wholesale slaughter of the Palestinian people. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Israeli people know better than to consent to having their future grabs, settler rights and fate toyed with. We do not care what the world thinks of our actions' So Mr Singer who do you walk with? Do you not 'walk along proudly with these evil plotters of expansionists to attain their objective'. Do you not defend them even though their objective to to strive for war not peace, to keep Hamas and Fatah from coming together, to slaughter children with little to no compunction or remorse. The sheer number of dead and maimed speak to a truth, that you Mr Singer walk with mass murderers. Are you not evil? Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 12:48:43 AM
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Very good point, Steeleredux.
So if both sides are equally guilty of wanting a monocultural state, then the issue for me comes down to, which side do I prefer? I prefer the Jews. The reason is, because the Jews are the smartest and the most persecuted people on the planet. I realise that they need a country of their own to keep themselves safe. And, one of their chief persecutors are the Muslims, who already own 99% of the land in the Middle East. But despite owning almost all the land, the Muslims are completely dysfunctional. It doesn't matter if they have fertile regions such as the Nile or the Tigris Euphrates river systems. It doesn't matter if the hold most of the world's archaeological treasures, or that most of them are floating on crude oil. Their culture is as bankrupt as their economies. And here in the West, the jews are noted for their law abiding behaviour which compares very favourably with the appalling behaviour of Muslims. Jews are noted for the financial independence in the west, while Muslims are noted for their financial dependency. Muslims put bombs in airliners, Jews do not. Muslims blow up western trains and buses, Jews do not. So, my vote goes to the Jews. They have just as much right to ethnically cleans Muslims from Israel as the Muslims have to ethnically cleanse Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, and even their own competing factions, from theirs. I tend to like intelligent people, especially soldiers who fight smart. I think most of the world's problems are caused by people of low intelligence. So, my sympathies go to a very intelligent race like the Jews who's homeland is surrounded by stupid psychotics. Those people could not run a lamington stall at the local school fete without fighting each other and causing trouble. Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 3:34:47 AM
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I am going, just for a moment at least, put the slanging match aside and ask that you reflect on what you have just written.
My three posts were not my own words but that of a respected Jewish Canadian writer. I found them to be deeply powerful and so symbolic of the contributions made by other great Jewish writers who have managed to bring clarity and direction to troubled times throughout the ages whether it be in the holy books of Judaic based religions or in the works of the likes of Marx, Spinoza, Maimonides and Kafka.
You saw them as a 'Jew hating rant'.
It is a terribly sad indictment on just how must your soul have been eviscerated by hate for you to have come to that conclusion. Gabor Mate is not unaffected by Jewish nationalism but able to see that “With such a gross imbalance of power, there is no equivalence of culpability.” He does not attempt to defend the indefensible but is true to a sense of justice and humanity that seems to have deserted you so long ago. It is exactly that sense of justice and humanity that I, and I suspect many others, believe owes so much to a uniquely Jewish legacy.
So I will go on challenging your jaundiced pontifications and protestations of victim hood because I feel duty bound to do so since the views of those like Gabor Mate are worth defending and it is my honour to do so. But it is hate filled people like yourself that make in one of the least pleasant tasks I have ever committed myself to doing.
I will address your other matters in another post.