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By David Singer, published 29/7/2014The failure of many Gazans to leave their homes and seek safer shelter has been a major contributor to the increasing number of civilian deaths and casualties in Gaza.
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Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 31 July 2014 5:33:31 PM
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singer wrote
"You obviously cannot distinguish between murder and self defence." No singer it is you and israel that does not understand the difference between murder and self defence. Self defense only allows for actions proportionate to the threat. Self defence is only allowed against those that actually pose a threat. So tell me singer what threat did the gaza power station pose to israel? The hospitals and schools you have bombed, what threat were they? What threat were the 1000+ civilians posing to israel? To quote Is Mise "If the boy next door keeps throwing stones at my windows then is it surprising that he gets a kick in the arse?" That would be fair enough. It would be murderous, illegal and immoral to get a shotgun and go next door and kill the boy and the rest of his family and then burn his house to the ground. But that is what israel does. That is the difference between murder and self defense singer. Not get primitive home made missiles fired at you, which rarely hit anything and defend yourself by obliterating gaza and so far 1000+ civilians and children. Where is the proportionality there? Like I said before this has nothing to do with terrorism. Nothing to do with self defense. It is part of israels despicable plan of ethnic cleansing, genocide and crimes against humanity in their quest to reclaim all the land west of the Jordan. Posted by mikk, Thursday, 31 July 2014 5:56:32 PM
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To all you Jew haters out there
View this video http://youtu.be/aWkjwfkh-qM If you believe a mosque can be used to store weapons and be an entry point to the vast network of tunnels constructed under this mosque - then there is little point in discussing what Israel is doing in exercising its inherent right of self defence to end the indiscriminate firing of rockets into Israeli civilian population centres and the destruction of these tunnels many of which extend into Israel's sovereign territory and were clearly intended to wreak havoc on Israeli civilians. This video will no doubt be the first of many that will ultimately be released showing the inhumane and barbaric conduct being perpetrated by Hamas in conducting its war of terror against Israel from residential areas and in mosques, schools, hospitals and UN facilities -that is impacting so disastrously on the Gazan civilian population and could have had equally devastating effect on Israel's civilian population. A miracle really did occur when Hamas rejected the Egyptian brokered ceasefire on 16 July - which resulted in Israel invading Gaza on the ground and discovering the extensive network of tunnels coming out on Israeli soil that had been prepared for an apparently planned raid into Israel on the second holiest day of the Jewish calendar -Jewish New Year - in about seven weeks time. It certainly was a disastrous decision for Gazan civilians who have seen their death toll rise from 135 to 852 as at 31 July - according to UN statistics. http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/humanitarian_Snapshot_31July2014_oPt_V2.pdf Islamic treachery of this kind previously occurred in 1973 on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar - Yom Kippur.. The real story of this latest war is yet to be told when the dust finally settles and the extent to which Gazan civilians, their homes, mosques, hospitals and schools have been held hostage to be used by their Hamas captors to prosecute its war against Israel is finally revealed. Those of you who have rushed to judgement without being in possession of all the facts should hang your heads in shame. Posted by david singer, Sunday, 3 August 2014 9:38:31 AM
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Dear David Singer,
Propagating IDF lies here does you no service, particularly when Jewish media is already dismantling them. The tunnels were not a surprise. “Anyway, Barnea is already moving on to the latest — um, questionable assertion, namely that Israel was surprised by the tunnels, or the extent of the tunnels, and therefore had to ratchet up its Protective Edge campaign unexpectedly at the last minute. Barnea argues, in the third section of this article, that the government had a very clear picture of the tunnels and their extent a long time ago but decided not to act on them because it had other things on its plate. He’s pretty scathing about the current “gap between rhetoric and reality,” as he puts it. Worth a read.” “Elsewhere in the Friday supplement, Yediot’s indispensable military analyst Alex Fishman writes that the army began facing the Gaza tunnel problem as early as 2001, and the government’s failure to act on them was the topic of a report by the government comptroller in 2007. … Other sources report that pressure is already building in Israel for a postwar commission of inquiry into the failure to act earlier on the tunnels.” http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/202855/israels-latest-fib-gaza-tunnels-were-surprise/?#ixzz39HrduTO5 And you can park this rot as well; “prepared for an apparently planned raid into Israel on the second holiest day of the Jewish calendar -Jewish New Year - in about seven weeks time.” Please don't expect us to believe that Hamas had been building these tunnels over the last 7 years specifically to attack this Jewish New Year, especially given their moves to reconcile with Fatah which so infuriated the Israeli government. Utterly absurd. As to weapons being found in a mosque it reminds me of another time when those striving for nationhood employed just such tactics. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb1_1191106989 Will you condemn this as 'inhumane and barbaric conduct' as well? Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 3 August 2014 11:28:45 AM
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While I agree with the drift of what SteeleRedux has written I would like to reaffirm that conduct by invaders stealing territory from its native inhabitants by armed violent ethnic cleansing is by definition barbaric whereas actions of a Resistance movement against occupiers is rarely barbaric provided it is directed specifically against the occupiers.
Having just read Robert Harris' description of the relentless persecution of Albert Dreyfus and the cultural background behind it I am reminded, without even having to recall the German/Ukrainian Holocaust, of what the term "Jew hater" really means and can only express contempt for its misuse by the likes of the at most part Australian David Singer who doesn't reckon Australia can be a Jew's true homeland. (The Dreyfus story also lends some force to Marat's claim that many more aristocratic and clerical heads needed lopping in the French Revolution though it would have been better to spare their lives and dump them on Devil's Island.) Posted by EmperorJulian, Sunday, 3 August 2014 12:31:30 PM
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#SteeleRedux
"Propagating IDF lies" is now your mantra . Is the entry shaft to a tunnel from the basement of the mosque shown in this video a lie? http://youtu.be/aWkjwfkh-qM Are the weapons shown stored in the mosque on the video a lie? Is the admission by UN officials of the concealment of weapons in three UN schools a lie? Are the tunnel exits leading into Israel from which a number of entries into Israel in the past two weeks took place a lie? Are these videos of tunnels and booby trapped buildings being destroyed a lie? http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/idf-destroys-tunnels-all-over-gaza?omhide=true&utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Israel+Breaking+News+Video%3A+IDF+to+continue+in+Gaza+%27For+as+Long+as+Necessary%27&utm_campaign=20140802_m121582404_8%2F2+Israel+Breaking+News+Video%3A+IDF+to+continue+in+Gaza+%27For+as+Long+as+Necessary%27&utm_term=IDFtunnels_png_3F1407006068 Is the detonation of a booby trapped UN health clinic by explosives concealed within its walls a lie? Those who play with fire are sure to get their fingers badly burnt - if not amputated. Hamas is an evil organisation. It is your perfect choice to support it. Hamas's name as an acronym = Hides Among Mosques And Schools - which aptly sums up its cowardly approach to the way it chooses to wage war and put Gaza's civilian population in extreme danger of being killed or wounded What Netanyahu - and the Defence and Intelligence establishment - knew or did not know will be no doubt the subject of a far ranging Commission in Israel. Those making highly damaging claims like Goldberg and Barnea will have ample opportunity to present their evidence. I doubt a similar Commission will be held in Gaza to find out why tunnels were built to enable terrorists to wage war against Israel but no air raid shelters were built to protect Gazans when it was known that Israel would inevitably retaliate - or what punitive threats were placed on the population to allow their houses to be used conceal entry and exit points from the tunnels. Continue to be judge jury and prosecutor if you wish. The lynch mob is truly well alive and kicking on OLO. Posted by david singer, Sunday, 3 August 2014 1:40:05 PM
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So does SPQR
SteeleRedux has spoken squarely for the robbed, in particular for the breathtaking bravery of those who resisted the well-armed German murderers in the Warsaw Ghetto
That's why SPQR, not SteeleRedux, is comparable to Lord Haw Haw. Indeed SPQR's commenting history is Lord Haw Haw down to a T, bearing in mind that the execution of Lord Haw Haw as a traitor to Britain was mistaken as he had renounced British nationality. He should have been hanged as a German peddling Germany's war aims.