Zionists, the new National Socialists!

Those Australian citizens that return from serving as 'lone soldiers' for the Israeli government should be treated as those returning from serving with other terrorist organisations.

Despite real frustration with Netanyatu's overkill and the interesting status of Israeli-Australians who might serve in the IDF, expressions of equivalence with terrorist returnees to Australia or would-be home-growns are something else

Little but Israeli propaganda from Australian or US mainstream media but it is left to Jewish journals like Forward to give an informed, decent, truthful perspective.

Quote;

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu immediately placed a gag order on the deaths. Journalists who heard rumors were told the Shin Bet wanted the gag order to aid the search. For public consumption, the official word was that Israel was “acting on the assumption that they’re alive.” It was, simply put, a lie.

Moti Almoz, as army spokesman, was in charge of repeating the lie. True, others backed him up, including Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon. But when the truth came out on July 1, Almoz bore the brunt of public derision. Critics said his credibility was shot. He’d only been spokesman since October, after a long career as a blunt-talking field commander with no media experience. Others felt professional frustration. His was personal.

Nor was that the only fib. It was clear from the beginning that the kidnappers weren’t acting on orders from Hamas leadership in Gaza or Damascus. Hamas’ Hebron branch — more a crime family than a clandestine organization — had a history of acting without the leaders’ knowledge, sometimes against their interests. Yet Netanyahu repeatedly insisted Hamas was responsible for the crime and would pay for it.

This put him in a ticklish position. His rhetoric raised expectations that after demolishing Hamas in the West Bank he would proceed to Gaza. Hamas in Gaza began preparing for it. The Israeli right — settler leaders, hardliners in his own party — began demanding it.
But Netanyahu had no such intention. The last attack on Gaza, the eight-day Operation Pillar of Defense in November 2012, targeted Hamas leaders and taught a sobering lesson. Hamas hadn’t fired a single rocket since, and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013. Neither side had any desire to end the détente. Besides, whatever might replace Hamas in Gaza could only be worse.

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http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war/?p=all#ixzz38IGHVVHV

#James O'Neill

You continue to fail to point to any piece of "active disinformation" which you say is a good description of everything in my posts.

Put up or shut up.

It seems to be your practice to continue to make allegations without any facts to substantiate your claims when it comes to claimed breaches of international law..

Please specify any particular instance of any action committed by Israel which you claim is in breach of international law and I will be happy to discuss with you.

As you know there are usually different opinions as to what is and what isn't in breach of international law.

One issue on which there is no dispute is the indiscriminate firing of rockets into civilian population centers as has happened 2000 times in the last two weeks with rockets fired from Gaza into Israel.

Do you concede this constitutes 2000 war crimes?

You make the following claim:

"Your proposition was specifically rejected by the International Court of Justice in 2004."

Not sure what proposition you are referring to - but don't you know that advisory opinions of the International Court such as the 2004 decision are non-binding in international law?

To use your phrase:

"May I respectfully suggest you refrain from referring to legal concepts of which you manifestly have no understanding."

#plantaganet

Took the time to go to your figures and find you have been fudging a little.

These are what were actually recorded:

Gaza Health Ministry (22 July): 632 killed and 3,752 wounded[4]
UN OCHA (21 July): 479 killed (364 civilians, 76 militants, 39 unknown)[8]
IDF: 273 militants killed[9][10] and 20 captured[11]

OCHA show 479 killed as against 632 claimed by Gaza Health Ministry (GHM). Why did you conceal this discrepancy?

You then transpose 364 civilians killed from OCHA figures into the GHM figures which means there are 268 terrorists or unknown killed. Why did you conceal what you had done?

This number is very close to that claimed by Israel - 273 terrorists killed.

Giving GHM figures the benefit of the doubt on the numbers killed - 632 - when compared to OCHA figures - 479 - the percentage of terrorists killed is now 42%.

If one uses the OCHA figures - 479 - and the number of terrorists killed as claimed by Israel - 273 - then the percentage of terrorists killed is 57%.

The percentage of terrorists is set to rise as the terrorists are caught in the tunnels or try to escape from there or from houses where they have concealed themselves among civilians or attempt to infiltrate into Israel.

Hopefully civilian casualties will be kept to a minimum as the terrorists are smoked out of their hiding places.

I think the Israelis know how to count terrorists that have been killed. I do not think GHM and OCHA is interested in revealing the disaster that is being visited on Hamas and the other terrorist groups operating out of Gaza.

Please keep posting the figures - all the figures - and not just a selection of your choosing.