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Conservatism and climate science : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 24/6/2014

Given that they have had virtually a monopoly of the mass media, the government and the scientific academies, doesn't that point to a fundamental problem with the 'climate change' message?

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DEAR ANT/YET again/you reveal..your limitations of thinking
your measuring c02/but then get dislexic confusing the methane[from 'melting tundras'..with c02..thing is old buddy.YOUR NOT FOOLING ANYONE

ITS OK FOR YOU RETARDS TO CLAIM NASA/AS SOME EXPERTS
BUT WHEN WE DO AL OF A SUDDEN.ITS NOT pathetic reaLLY

nasa is obsessed with climate[the only new money its getting is satellite MEASURING THE AFFECT

BUT BY YOU THIER IDIOTS/programed/response
who the greater idiot/NASA EITHER IS Relevant/or its not

YOU/they\speak the topic/now\for selfish reason[yet again your foibles attack the man/not what he is going-to/maybe say*/in a few days.

thing is your affecting/the thinking of the few thinkers
we got on your side/who does the research/..but like you is blind to the flaws/all over your/fact\the lies/that reveal the scam/ignoring them seems to make the truth go away/you lot of paid to blog taxers/do your scummy lies well.

your beloved topic isnt relative to your cure/your measuring co2/
MEANING YOUR MEASURING METHANE/and nature as you point out is making more of it/METHANE/IN SWAMPS/and\c02/from the 3000 plus known vents

the melt-methane/[if any].because we are not
at the cooling side/of our epiliptical orbit/solar maxum
and the extra co2/due to the upcmming pole/flip\go figure..money junkies find a money fix

pay or they make your world go away
its sad your NOT LOOKING AT FACTS/but merely trying to affirm/your right[but your as wrong as can be/LIKE PRAYING\TO THE WIND GOD\the lies..have been exposed

now cause i know its beyond dispute/lets alone the wrong fix
im ovER TRYING TO REFUTE THE MINDLESS INSULTS AS YOU LOT ATTACK THE NEXT MAN/NOT WHAT..he is saying/he is better/edicated/in higher circles than any of you[and you say hes cccc rap?..

honestly..you/hollocausters
are THICKER/than the 4 thieves lying
you must see why these lies are being twisted/to bail-out the rich/yet again

look\if it stopped the real polutants/the/..maybe
but\the/lying..was it/worth/the new-tax/but\the tax..is
only/so the rich/get free cash-flows..from the poor/lied-to/hated/despised.[

USELESS-EATERS/USEFULL-IDIOTS..Join the dots.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 6 July 2014 8:12:54 AM
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you/have a belief-system/godless/heartless/money centerd[compulsory MONEY theft/by legislation sin taxes/the rich/dont carry the cost/yet reap the harvest/have/guilt/blog/their log

but the big chemica/big petro/they got their scientists on it/to plant red gherrings[see if you going to get the judgment/you need/you need clean hands/and the hands i see in the plot/are many..and then you say i work/for\them..

stuff the lot of ya
nasa..has more relivance than sex/and id more reliytive than the littkle girl saying they
oh who gives a ooopspoop.

men/warming is crap[or woman-global-cooling is crap/
who are you fooling but the gullible[who judge only science as god/or the science is settled\which is pure-crapp/if the science isnt in why is the nex tax fix-*in/bah

point is your meant to prove
you cant refute our disproof/so ya refute the astronutter
[i hate nasa more than you peugot/your name calling/a nASA dude/YET GLADLY TOO HIS DATA/HIS WORK/SUPPLIES..no its ratHER PATHETIC/SUCKED IN..

ok they fooled you/you pay the damm tax
it wont change nuthin/look what you changed so far/huge subsidies to solar projects/goe bust to the cost of multiple trillions/more lies to ignore.

thing is they say/pay tax/its all fixed
yes it is a fixed game/you think you got the facts?
you alone havnt been lied to?..why you got all the true facts and we the lies?

ego-bog-log
cause\itS DAMM/MEN\mankind\WE DESPISE
end ya lies/the case isnt proven

hung jury*
case unproven[reasonable doudt]
go home/we thank you\the jury/for your sincerity
but case isnt proven/all cost SHAL/falL upon the FAULSE-accusers/who lieD repeatedly/AND RAISED panic/needlessly that has further driven the poor beneath the oppressors heel.

thanks/be..to the useful/idiots
as use-less.as teats/on..bull*
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 6 July 2014 8:15:14 AM
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<< ITS OK FOR [the believers] TO CLAIM NASA/AS SOME EXPERTS
BUT WHEN WE DO AL OF A SUDDEN.ITS NOT pathetic reaLLY>>

Yes indeed, I think if one of the characters in The Teletubbies or In the Night Garden said AGW was real, Poirot would cite them as an authoritative source --and I bet she would be the first the re-tweet it!
Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 6 July 2014 8:43:09 AM
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A skype interview with Dr Shakhova below. In relation to methane; disputing methane shows a misunderstanding of what happens when permafrost melts and how it reacts in water. The science is there, no way of challenging it. It's a bit like challenging the existence of oxygen. There are clips showing how ice containing methane can be lit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQDVr1eMLK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BVsS6vo60Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80ooWqpCdZE
Posted by ant, Sunday, 6 July 2014 9:21:41 AM
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SPQR, you don't go to a Ear,Nose and Throat Surgeon to have Orthopaedic work done on your knee. The ENT Surgeon may have some knowledge about knees, but the Orthopaedic surgeon would have extra knowledge and experience necessary. In the same way you cannot expect a Biologist or a Geologist to have the same knowledge about the atmosphere as does an Atmospheric Scientist.
I'm afraid I believe the Specialists. But then, Marine Scientists are saying that climate change is happening off the East Coast of Australia as fish stocks are following warmer water South. An example of many where the work of other science specialities supports what climate scientists are saying.
Posted by ant, Sunday, 6 July 2014 9:57:24 AM
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Ant,

<<I'm afraid I believe the Specialists. But then, Marine Scientists are saying that climate change is happening...>>

As I might have mentioned before-- I believe in climate change too.

But I am less convinced that any climate change that happens is due to, or even largely due to,anthropogenic green house gases.

And I think many AGW believers have the same doubt which is why they always try to re-frame it as belief in climate versus belief the climate does not change--and they also -very mischievously --try to rope general pollution into their equation.
Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 6 July 2014 10:27:15 AM
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