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Conservatism and climate science : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 24/6/2014

Given that they have had virtually a monopoly of the mass media, the government and the scientific academies, doesn't that point to a fundamental problem with the 'climate change' message?

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OH DEAR ANT/from/your mates/link

ITS PATHETIC RATHER THAN SAD
YOU MISSED THE WHOLE MYSTERY /GIST OF THE PIECE
clue read the 3 parragraphs/undEr the 5 word heading
http://creation.com/a-165-million-year-surprise
PLUS THE REFERANCED NOTES

dumb ant's
as pathetic as priest/kiddie joke
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=priest+ant+boy+joke

they are easy /deceived and fortunately easy amused

but science/its just gobbildy gook/to ants
and they blother on about makings creation/based on a throwawy line/right at the end.

hats the sad part
he read all the amasing content/miracle/to point our nonsense/unrelated tO THE INFO/HE THINKS HE REFUTES
lol/but mate its ya mates link/..what point was he making?
he didnt read it/he just se it up for you[the great avantage of computers blogging.

ONE SERVES UP
THE NEXT REPLY
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 1:02:03 PM
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Warmair,

So Noah's Flood occurred in Winter, 1656 AM ? Perhaps late Winter, to give reptiles time to really cool down. Say August ?

So the old 40-days-etc. at sea would place the landing on Mt Ararat in mid- to late September ? Not a good time of the year, early Spring, to hunt around for all manner of foodstuffs for hundreds of thousands of animals, and their many offspring. Perhaps many died trying to get back to their original habitats, South America, southern Africa, Australia, etc., leaving their bones to be discovered four thousand or so years later, dispersed in rings around Mt Ararat in ever-decreasing quantities ?

Isn't rubbish fascinating ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 5:15:04 PM
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The other possibility is they ate them, apparently dinosaurs taste like chicken.

Which for some silly reason reminds of the recipe for Cockatoo. Boil in pot with stone and cook until stone is soft, throw away the cockatoo and eat the stone.
Posted by warmair, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 8:20:17 PM
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ET'tu..joe?
<<..Isn't rubbish fascinating ?

Joe>>
no/i like..facts~skip/the spin

anyhow..found/the\transCRIPT/
FROM LAST\NIGHTS..FOUR-CORNERS

the promised\quotes/

<<.IVOR FRISCHKNECHT, CEO, AUSTRALIAN RENEWABLE ENERGY AGENCY:..The main reason*..[lol]..for the increase in electricity prices..*is the cost*..of networks.>>

these/*green-networks*/
getting/contractual licence./avantages/terms
upfront/grants-..to steal/us\blind..!

ITS/..odious/debt*
[treason/..plus/proceeds of crime]

<<.So network infrastructure>>[this/GREEN/.NET-WORKING/..roof-furnature/INFASTRUCTURE]

IVOR*8..network/infastructure..<<>.....has been added.*to..[pretty dramatically/.in the last five years..and*..*that is roughly*half*..of your total electricity bill today*..goes to pay for>>

green/sub-*networks
half/the bill.goes to building/alt/energy grid./netWORKS*

<<>.that carry*electricity..TO*\..and/*from the generators to your house/or business.>>

STEPHEN LONG:/As energy\prices soared, for the first time ever,..electricity-consumption went backwards...the problem..is partly of the industry's*own making,..>>

<<.*the fall/in consumption.has driven a backlash\*/against renewable energy.>>

hence/this/puff-piece*

<<.Incumbent..*[green/renewable]...power companies are saying,..why build more capacity when there's already/oversupply?>

excpt/for..when solar sleeps
and\you creeps steal..it back[but not/at..the extra rate][at night/we all*are/on the grid].our grid/not yours/your collecting rent*from our pockets/free-rides.

MATTHEW WARREN,.CEO, ENERGY SUPPLY ASSOCIATION OF AUSTRALIA:..The simple/reality is the RET,..[the Renewable Energy Target.]as designed\..was designed/*to fill*~*anticipated growth..*~in the market*..>>

that/never*came
such/clever*GREEN\lobby/MARKETEERS

<<.and the market*conditions\*/have changed.>>

*THANK-GOD/.OR WE/all\WOULD/BE PAYING-DOUBLE/*AGAIN;'

STEPHEN LONG:.Matthew Warren\/is chief executive\of the Energy Supply Association.

MATTHEW WARREN:..We've seen[lol]..an.*ever accelerating*decline in demand/since 2009>>

LOL
it/SEEM$..\that/..all-THE BIG*USERS
GET BIG~FAT REFUND*S/plus/free-powers

<<>. and so/what's meant that,>>

NOTICE/THE DElAY
HERE..IS WHY

<<>.what was 20 per cent...is now looking\more like 25, 28, 29 per cent,..and that's/a much bigger target.>>

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/07/07/4038488.htm

cause/we bet\we could reap-in/much more money/<<.Forty-one-thousand*gigawatt hours from large scale schemes..>.by now/

soon no-one will be paying...nuthin
GREENIE/MERCHAMNDISERS/GOT..TOO GREEDY*

STEPHEN-LONG:..And still\tiny..by world standards.

It costs..[half-of;]..a lot*..
to build/a plant...like this,>>

20/of/which\supply../HALF/of\CANBERRAS/NEEDS>>

<<..and that..does feed/into electricity prices,>>
YES/HALF/..*NOT 3%/.see/script.

<<..but in/the\medium term,/>>

IE/ONE-DAY
[NOT anyday/..lol..soon

<<..the energy..will/.[may?]..be..cheaper>..

BUT\,,WE BEEN/WRONG..;BEFORE*

<<>..SIMON CORBELL:..The economics*..is a no\brainer/and/it also drives down*..the cost of electricity/more generally..in the market>>

one/day..lol

<<>.because,..often,..at times/of peak demand,>>

sunset.hot/cold\wet/coudy-says

<<>> renewables/is..{?}..the cheapest source of energy/into the electricity market>>?

jerks/55/cents;buy-back?
sold for half-price?..huh?
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 8:58:59 PM
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QUOTE/SOURCE
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/07/07/4038488.htm

sTEPHEN/LONG:<<..20 per/cent..Renewable\Energy*Target,?..*that's not*..in fact*what*..the\legislation says.

The law*/calls*for\a fixed*amount*
of electricity/to come*/from renewable.sources\by 2020.>>

key*..<<..Forty-one-thousand*gigawatt hours
*from..*large scale**schemes...>>..*LARGE_SCALE*..

bought/..\ANNUALLY/..[AT/55\CENTS/KILO*.WHAT?..[=]lotsa/cash-flow\income-streaming..*READ*.HUGE/subsidized/SOLAR/+\WIND-FARMS/reaping..the-ill..wind...in-cash.

<<..At-least 4,000\gigawatt-hours
from small-scale\renewable energy\schemes,[such\as roof-top/solar.>>

SO/THEIR..MATES/GET..TEN*FOLD
MORE/THAN/the\SELL-OUTS/GOT

HERE/IS..*a subsidized*reseller/talking*big

<<..MILES GEORGE,*MD,\INFIGEN ENERGY:..So\there'Is
90 turbines here*,/[including..the Capital\and Woodlawn wind farms.]

STEPHEN LONG:..Miles George/is\managing director-of the company, which operates..*24/renewable power-plants *-

[*six of\them.in Australia.

(STEPHAN/to\MILES GEORGE);How much/power..does that>>..
IE [THE]..24 FARMS/..<<<,generate?

<MILES GEORGE:..It's\enough power
to power\about half.the houses\in Canberra.>>

24 PLANTS..[how many/billions-to build
HOW MUCH GOVT..;SUBSIDY*[50/50?]

PLUS/nice*fat/CONTRACTED/buy*back price/
in cash*each month.

then apple.[lol].100%[solar/]..Not\off/*the grid
so that's/a lie/too..[2typical]

<<..The computing*power/needed-to process\all that\content>>[24/7]...shared...on the web.and on mobile devices/is-a massive drain on electricity.

The power/NETWORK/demands/have led to\accusations..that/technology/companies/TOO\have a "dirty cloud"..

<<..the solution:.....a vast solar farm,..generating/..167 million kilowatt/hours\of GREEN/SYSTEM\power..Enough/to make*Apple's data center 100/per cent powered..>>

wrong...[paid/for/..

<<..by renewable energy.>>
too/sneaky/

but-wait/more*
watch/the clever/joinder

<<.It's the\largest solar-farm\in the United-States\not owned\by a power utility..and it's supplemented*by\fuel-cells that store electricity *...[wait]...generated*..from biomass.>>..

gas/stored/at-best/..not electricity

the bowls/cub[small/scale/solar/<<..STEPHEN LONG:edit/.. in the face of rocketing electricity bills/he convinced\the board to have 360 solar panels.......installed on\the roof\of the bowlo'.

PAT EGAN:Yeah\you...can see\a good view\of them
there now;..they are\in banks/of 10...times..36

edited/..<<I was\trying to\find ways
to save costs.....And increase./our revenue.*>>

[edit]

<<....So that\was a month's power bill?

PAT EGAN:Yeah.

STEPHEN LONG:.Ten thousand bucks\or close enough

PAT EGAN:\And this\one's $4,891.

STEPHEN LONG:..That's a huge saving.>>..

and guess who*is paying/for-it?

YES/IT-IS/YOU.
and/thats..*small-scale*]

\THE SAME\greedy-FOOLS/boozers/THAT BOUGHT/300 SOLAR CELLS/TO PUT ON
their roof\and/guess what/..it gets worse\too many scamers

<<Those city-facilities\are now
*powered about 97,98 per\cent\by solar.>>

not/powered/paid-for*
[huge/difference.

<<......What's really\driven-up power\prices
has been..a massive investment\in/the network*:>>

NETWORK*
IE/THE/GREEN-SOLAR/WIND-networks-
recall/the net*work/needing/*40 megahellofalots/of energy/by 2020!

they blame/or call it/ the poles\and wires,.
[in/reality/spent/building the*new-green/networks}

<<.. the infrastructure.>
the green/infrastructure\plus ports gas pipelines/and turbines...solar*panels..[to offset/cost]

<<..And,as/it turns out,..*much of\that investment..was*unnecessary>>

JOHN GRIMES:.They got-the/forecast..*wrong.

<<.Power prices*are going up\because[green*]power companies/have
over invested in the..[green]network and\those*companies\get a guaranteed*return*..on their investment,

-*guaranteed/by the\Government.>>[ie/your/power-bill*

all-paid/4
paid/by/idiots/like-us.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 9:50:07 PM
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e/damm-post
420/wurds..OH DEAR/seems that*ant~rant..went mute[toocute]
the last refuge..of warmist-frauds/run/..FLEE/FLEA..and \OR/EXPLAIN.[CORRECT-EVEN]

as\for...the hot-air\head/..well enough said
now-the import of.."4 corner sell-out/to the greenish/explouitist/lobby/..is revealed/[the treasoners will seek\to have it concealed/so leTS clarify\the main points.

please note..that science/scientists\is past*
now its.*economists selling it~/~to back-up\a new gl0bal-currency called..'DRAWING -RIGHTS'..[WHICH IS\JUST ANOTHER..[FIAT]one-world-currency/[not money]..FEDERAL-reserve/TYPE MONEY*CREATION/BYdebt-COMPOUNDING/INFLATION\THEFTSYSTE../THAT CREATES\ODIOUS-DEBT*on/paper.owed/to./the dead/designed\to/enslave/the..living..into servitude/to\banker-ursury-ists.

SEE how..'germmany/china/japs2\
subsidized/the polluting\building`of theSe\things*[PRODUCT]
plus\lent the money~to payL/for alL/*these SCAM$/Scemes..[like*free light-bulbs[THEN/MANDATED-COMSUMERISM]

and/things~ike free s/SUBSIDIZED/BORROWED/MONIES;.Solar sell/thats where-tHe\STATE~debt..[QLD;ALONE].of 85 billion/became hellISH/PUNITIVE/ODIOUS*

see how/bad this-is/~govt is*obligated/contractualy:.to buy 40 gaziLLION UNITS\OF SUNLIGHT/at 55 cents~a watt\every-year/til-the*end/of-time~[@55CENTS?]

i mean\thats/signed*sealed
DELIVERD/TILL-THE/END~OF*TIME.
[lol..under the lie*of reducing our/4*cents'aB-use?

but/see tHe joke/as we reduce*our use/the\4*cent~ammount/we are contracted/~to buy~/remains*the same/~and here-is*the clever\bit/
once~we reduce~our need[to 40/trillion watts/at 55 cents].thats the base~price/..*its bought aT~[bought~FOR4\ALL OF US]

BUT \will/power double/in_4 years*../then
/in another~4 years..LOL..we will~/ALl\-be paying double;again..

[see how\the buy~back/price\has/SET....THE future~sell price/
and-as every whatt?//is/will\was bought..for 55 cents/..it cannot\be-sold*..for 55 cents/

THUS*\by 2025/IT WILL\MUST*..BE ONE
DOLLAR\AND/10 CENTS.[UNLESS/THE/PRICE-/HOCKEY~STICKS

please see~that accountants
[sorry economists;sold-us..aN*ENRON*~pyramid scam

look at\the desk-jokies planing\
THEN/PLAYING~out the enron*end play~SCAM/gameplan.

we had.24/7 power for 4 cents
now we got/25 cent~power/govt buys~Tat 55 cents

SOME CLEVER ACCOUTNING/science/by accountant[changed-numbers;accountant/finer~prints..and these/scumy~scamming economists/to give ya a clue;..they screwed you2.[recall mondays qand a~../*.[4 economists:/cue?

[the big-guns
plus al gore/too\its just\too damm*clever

wakeup/
now ya know\itS TIME
~TO FIX~THAT..YOU.WARMISts..stuffed right-up

here is~the clue/why it was done to you
now herE Is the story/all written-Out for you
in many links/but think/your loony loBby made this mes

nowplease\use~the same passion/
ending the lies/made by\creative accounting

i out*lined/a few points
its time you warmists starteD\to wake~each*other-up
yes and loose ya smugness

[recall you fools settled\for only 10 percent
of the take;CAKE.[a few elites got 90/pecent
[i mean ARE\EVEN NOW/REAPING IN 90%..[OF HALF-YA POWER/BILL]

unLess your one\getTing cash back
you greedy..liars made me sick

how to repair the damage/your debt/to the imf has made/so 20.DEAD CORPERATE/multinationals can take\ya houses:make you work/for ALCHEMICAL PINK OOOZE.

[GOOGLE-IT]..
And THEN/MAKE-YOu/beg/and work to pay/the
your/new\banker landord;overlord/their tax free govt~subsidised rent
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 9:00:25 AM
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