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Why tolerate religion? : Comments

By Ralph Seccombe, published 19/6/2014

Given the universal human rights of freedom of speech, freedom of assembly etc etc, should there be a separate and additional category of religious rights?

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Dear Is Mise,

The following link may be what you are
looking for:

http://en.lourdes-france.org/deepen/cures-and-miracles
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 22 June 2014 3:03:48 PM
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Why tolerate religion?

Some form of religion has existed in every society
that we know of. Religious beliefs and partices
are so ancient that they can be traced into
prehistory, perhaps as far back as 100,000 years ago
or more. Even the primitive Neanderthal people of
that time, it seems, has some concept of a
supernatural realm that lay beyond everyday reality.
Among the fossilized remains of these cave dwellers,
anthropologists have found evidence of funeral
ceremonies in the form of flowers and artifacts that were
buried with the dea, presumably to accompany them in the
journey to the afterlife.

Although religion is a universal social institution, it takes
a multitude of forms. Believers may worship gods, ancestors,
or totems; they may practice solitary meditation, frenzied
rituals, or solemn prayer.

We can say that religion is a system of communally shared
beliefs and rituals that are oriented toward some sacred,
supernatural realm. And this phenomenon is of such
universal social importance that it has long been, and
remains a major focus of sociological interest.

In Australia - people are free to follow any religion they
choose, so long as its practices do not break any
Australian law. Australians are also free not to follow a
religion.

Religious laws have no legal status in
Australia. And that is the way - I believe things should
remain.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 22 June 2014 3:23:07 PM
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Foxy,

Thanks for the link, I was already aware of it.

Regarding the last paragraph of your above post,
see : http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/getaus.html#no.4
there is sometimes a fine line.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 22 June 2014 4:40:25 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

Of course there is always a fine line -
depending on whose power you can influence.
Divorce is not recognised by the Catholic
Church - however as we know Princess Caroline
of Monaco -
was allowed to re-marry in the Catholic Church.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 22 June 2014 8:48:16 PM
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BEING/born..IS..a miracle/I..OFTEN/WRITE,..SHORTHAND.
OR RATHER..by..THICK-THUMB'..OR JUST MIND-NUMB..

<<>.a love letter..>>

thats funny..but thats better 'spoken;
[im cautioned about..'putting it int0 writing'..[PLAUSIBLE DENEY-ABILITY.

<<>.your definition/of a miracle..>>

THE MUNDANE=THE MIRACLE..we miss/the miracle..of A
night/the right length/to our sleep CYCLE..no doudt..if we had no cycles/the 'master's..would work/us sERFS....24/7

i love the simpleness..of 8-WORK8SLEEP8PLAY/PLUS/2 SABBATH-DAYS...whichever way..we twist..it..[8-MATE]..IS/just one rotated=\OF/90degrees..gifts/US..infiniTY.

MIRACLES=MUNDANE..COMMON-PLACE*..
present..every second..as specialists will affIRM

mundanE/miracle<<..is exactly as my definition of chance.>>

lol you must be an evolutionist;right?

there is no chance[WHAT ODDS THE MOON COVER EXActly..the sun?
1..to...1..[cause thats the size it had to be to learn/the teachings of this/world

[THERE..are 9 other humanoid races in the universe[we are the only ones;like the angels/demons..who can read[most get their revelation;direct.

<<..The surgeon's birth>>;was preceeded..by 12 sperm/working together..[To tension the egg mem-brain]..so yes;the 13 th one[you/got-in.

then the streak/that made the notch cord..miracles upon miracles

we see[our eyes make chemical messengers/these Messengers connect to other chemicals untill finaly we 'see'..[others till finally we smell/taste..etc

but its not the brain/wot dun-it[its the mind..
deliberate feedback/debated logic..arrived atonly by means of the u=inputs of other/all so god/can\know;thyself[think..that we;like god..can never meet;ourself..like we can meet anyone else;assuming thEIR presence.

yet..you/in your own presence/can never directly;'gaze..upon thyne own visage..directly..we can only know god/by knowing,,'other'..as well as we know the iner of god we are being.

<<was a chance of him having the aptitude..>>

aptitude/be blown..anyone can be trained;to become anything;if they really have the passion;for the right motivation;motivators..preferably with a fellow guide;teacher[i favour;those in books/their patient words can be TASTED;IN CONTEXT/REVEALING LINKAGE BACK TO THEIR VERY THINKING;IMAGRY,,INPUT;THAT INSPIRED/THE WORDS.damm-caps

........<<..Was the sufferers dilemma also a miracle>>
of-course..[heard/of\karma?..god allways gives US/the correct body to gain;ouR LIFES*lessons..[our body form/genes/even race'sex..are all clues[we all chose;to come/here;some tried/to jump/the cue/wanted incarnation;at any price

<<.How can a human being come into this world punished from it's very first breath.>>

think..oF THE beasts..of humanity..does hitler deserve/to try a new life?
how can you learn;sympathy..till you walked a mile;lived a life;in their shoes

:all are saved[in time we all reach/light live..via logic..
<<.all Man are born equal>>

..yes/death alone..;is not..the/only*great leveler
ENDLESS..RE*-*birth...t00*..

the 'e'..['energy']..e*state.

damm/post..limits
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 22 June 2014 9:57:48 PM
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TO/QUOTE..ONJAB[Backwards-banjohova]..<<..anybody/everybody would have believed..in them..because of..a lack of education,>>

inane/convolution;..they believe/because they saw/it;with their own eyes/lived;it/thus know-it.[think/how..in a small-town/there are no secrets...thus gossip the miracULE[wonder]

<<..evidently gullible people>>
yet have erant bias..getting it backwards

<<..the only miracle I must of had..>>
its sad to live without wonder and awe/;humility..at least ya got honour..

<<..Any old religious person..>>
indeed any yung godless heathen..
<<,can write..whatever they want..on some of these..'sacred sites'>>

[which sac*red-sites?!]..[generic slight oversight/site?]

<<Are we expected to take..what they say..as truth>>

clearly/thats a throw-away;line
you clearly take/nun-of/it.

but its ok/to question/it.

<<..when we don't..even have 'proof'>>

proof is what/we all are looking/for[proof isnt fool-proof]
someytimes/the story feels as good as the reality[often better]

but/miracle;as sepperate/from god/who dont do miracles]he allows us too do our owm[the fath[and change/of]diet;,,has made you well/

<<.that a god actually exists>>
is sepperate/from..MIRACle..god gives us/the ability\to realise;miracles[JESUS TALKS EXTENSIVLY;OF MIRACLES..IN A/COURSE-IN MIRACLEs.

<<>.I have personally seen..some extremely ill people being dragged half way across the world to have this water splashed on them, only to be very disappointed when nothing happens, and their precious god apparently decides they aren't worthy enough to heal...>>

your/missing;..something..we are sent here;to learn..not to suffer
once/the lesson is learned/why persist..IN STAYING..for the rest..of the play[sure work-mates..are fun//but nothing;..like the joy we get..for a life well lived...[what ever cards we dealt..ourselves..[or other].
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 22 June 2014 10:23:24 PM
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