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Abbott's way : Comments

By Mike Pope, published 23/4/2014

The Australian prime minister Tony Abbott is renowned for calling climate science 'absolute crap'.

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Leo, you constantly say that fraud is going on. I raised the view of mosquitos on the basis of just how ridiculous your view on fraud is. You are too concrete in your thinking to understand what I had written.
The Inuit understand exactly what's going on, they are living the experience.
Epidemiological matters are being recognised as being caused through climate change.
Posted by ant, Thursday, 1 May 2014 10:33:12 AM
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What I constantly point out, ant, is that there is no science to show that human emissions have any measurable effect on climate. I consider the assertion of AGW in the absence of any such science to be fraudulent. If you are able to refer us to any science which demonstrates a basis for assertion of AGW, please do so, instead of making stupid remarks about mosquitoes, and referring us to other baseless assertions about AGW, by other fraud backers.

No one denies that human activity affects climate, but the effect is trivial, and of no consequence.
Posted by Leo Lane, Friday, 2 May 2014 10:19:13 AM
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Leo, you wrote "No one denies that human activity affects climate", though did indicate that humans impact only in a minor way. How minor or major?
The Inuits certainly believe in climate change so do many others in Alaska. Land is being eroded due to permafrost melting, and ice is not packed up against shorelines which means when there are storms coastlines are taken out.
If you go to references I have provided you would realize that climate change is a very serious matter in Alaska as several communities need to be moved.
Previously mentioned using other references, qoute, "Inuit health is also being affected by the increased physical danger of injury or death while traveling on the land. The changing climate means Inuit find themselves facing new and unpredictable conditions while traveling on the land or sea for hunting.

There are also emotional and mental health issues associated with climate change.

Traditional land skills are intimately connected with culture and identity. But the changing climate limits time and security out on the land. This can negatively affect self-worth."

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20140430/effects-climate-change-human-health-north

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20140430/report-human-effect-climate-raises-big-questions-about-arctics-future

http://www.climatechangenunavut.ca/en/understanding-climate-change/climate-change-impact

As far as the Inuit are concerned Leo, climate change has a huge impact on their lives. Certainly its what the inhabitants at Kivalina are experiencing and many other communities as shown in the film clip above.
What happens at the Poles inevitably has an impact on us.
Posted by ant, Sunday, 4 May 2014 10:49:14 AM
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Ant, you are quite right.

Population sensitivity to climate change is an area which is now receiving increased attention, particularly in areas such as health and socio-economic impact. It is increasingly clear that the ability of humans to adapt to relatively rapid climate change is limited. Evidence is to be seen in the rising death rate, especially among very young and the aged populations as a result of extreme heat events.

Arctic amplification results in temperature increases 2 to 3 times greater than average global temperature. In the high Arctic summer temperatures which are normally expected to rarely rise above 0°C are now recorded at +10 to 15°C in some parts. Areas which were once ice covered, enabling travel by sled are now open water or land covered in surface water or mud.

This adversely affects the ability of Inuit to hunt because distances which could until recently be covered by sled can no longer be travelled and the game sought by Inuit hunters can no longer be pursued - or it has moved further north. Traditional Inuit hunting and self-sufficiency have been significantly disrupted.

Coastal areas where Inuit villages are located are threatened by rising Arctic temperatures which melt permafrost and sea ice, both of which have protected the coastline. The loss of both exposes the coastline to rapid erosion by wave action resulting in the loss of land, by as much as 30 metres/annum. In some places this has forced re-location of entire Inuit villages.

Among non-Inuit living in the Arctic similar problems have been caused by unprecedented temperature rise. Ice roads become impassable to motor traffic, pipelines and buildings collapse as the permafrost foundations on which they are built melt and wave action eats away at the land on which houses and other facilities are built.
Posted by Agnostic of Mittagong, Sunday, 4 May 2014 1:18:47 PM
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Quote  Leo Lane
“What I constantly point out, ant, is that there is no science to show that human emissions have any measurable effect on climate.”

The above statement is totally false literally hundreds of studies have been done which show a clear relationship between human greenhouse gas emissions and global warming.

I suggest as a starting point you study the you study the link below.

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_Chapter10_FINAL.pdf

Or you could try a google scholar search on “Detection and Attribution of Climate Change” I only got 51,000 hits

http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=Detection+and+Attribution+of+Climate+Change&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=QuRlU5ziMcXjkgW1xYC4Bg&ved=0CCgQgQMwAA
Posted by warmair, Sunday, 4 May 2014 5:03:55 PM
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(Not-)Agnostic (the denier of relevant facts),

>"It is increasingly clear that the ability of humans to adapt to relatively rapid climate change is limited. Evidence is to be seen in the rising death rate, especially among very young and the aged populations as a result of extreme heat events."

That is wrong. You have it backwards. Warm is better for health. The reduction in deaths due to severe cold weather events greatly exceeds the increase in deaths due to severe warm weather events.

Furthermore, increasing warmth and CO2 concentrations are beneficial for food production.
http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/sites/default/files/climate_change.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165188913000092?np=y Figure 1,

Rising sea levels at the rates projected are a negligible cost. The estimated cost to the world, over 90 years to 2100, for a 0.5 m sea level rise is $200 billion and for a 1 m rise is $1,000 billion. Such costs are trivial compared with the projected total world GDP of $30,000 trillion over the period.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11027-010-9220-7
Posted by Peter Lang, Sunday, 4 May 2014 5:56:42 PM
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