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Abbott's way : Comments

By Mike Pope, published 23/4/2014

The Australian prime minister Tony Abbott is renowned for calling climate science 'absolute crap'.

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Nice cherry pick ant; you ignore the main point of the research which is it was warmer in the past in the WAP. And this:

"The Antarctic area is quite interesting as to what's happening, but from everything I have seen the loss of ice is far greater than any accumulation."

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20120013495
Posted by cohenite, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 8:55:55 PM
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The concluding sentence of the abstract at cohenite's link http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20120013495 : "A slow increase in snowfall with climate warming, consistent with model predictions, may be offsetting increased dynamic losses."

The reason for the extra snowfall is not global cooling. The deglaciation rate has increased. Why?

That's right, it's the sun!
Posted by Luciferase, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 9:57:57 PM
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Luciferase, in a previous reference cohenite provided it stated the same in relation to more snow falling as temperatures go up. When a huge section of ice breaks off from the Pine Island shelf having an area of 660 square ks
( http://www.smh.com.au/world/huge-iceberg-breaks-off-antarctic-glacier-20140424-zqyjn.html )
then you do wonder about the logic of what cohenite is suggesting. cohenite's latest reference does not take into account what's happened in 2014.

Leo, you might be interested in how mosquitoes are committing fraud, they are appearing in all sorts of places where they should not be due to warmth and moisture. Chikungunya fever has been found in the Caribbean previously apart from being carried there by travellers. Dengue fever is an issue around the globe at present.


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/05/3332271/state-health-climate-change/
http://www.nrdc.org/health/climate/disease.asp
http://www.healthmap.org/dengue/en/

Previously, I have written about Inuits being impacted by pathogens; and encephalitis being a matter of concern in Sweden through warming temperatures and moisture.

A further interesting matter to investigate might be the sociological impact of climate change on the Inuit.
Posted by ant, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 7:06:59 AM
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How gullible ant and luci are! The sheet ice [and sea ice] in Antarctica is increasing because of AGW! The models say so! That’s all they got from the Zwally paper. The Zwally paper like all papers which have anti-AGW findings tips its hat towards AGW as a conclusion. Such is the censorious nature of AGW ‘science’.

But have AGW models predicted ice gains in the Antarctica due to AGW? Not according to the Copenhagen Diagnosis:

http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.org/

This says:

“Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice (Figure 2) range from losing 100 Gt/year to over 300 Gt/year. Because 360 Gt/year represents an annual sea level rise of 1 mm/year, recent estimates indicate a contribution of between 0.27 mm/year and 0.83 mm/year coming from Antarctica. There is of course uncertainty in the estimations methods but multiple different types of measurement techniques (explained here) all show the same thing, Antarctica is losing land ice as a whole, and these losses are accelerating quickly.”

The here is to our old friends SKS:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Part-2-How-do-we-measure-Antarctic-ice-changes.html

And then there are Schmidt and Shindell, those bastions of AGW ‘science’ who predicted the Antarctic would be warming:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2004GL020724/abstract

But the Antarctic has NOT been warming either in the atmosphere or the sea for many years:

http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/image84.png

http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/02-monthly-nino3-4.png

So how can AGW be responsible for the increased Antarctic ice sheet [and sea ice] when temperatures are falling!?

The problem with you ant and luci and warmy, is you all go to these alarmists sites and suck up their junk and just regurgitate it without thinking at all.

Here’s a more up to date paper detailing the increase in sheet ice at the Antarctic:

http://www.the-cryosphere.net/7/303/2013/tc-7-303-2013.html

See if you can find wiggle room there boys. And while you’re at it explain why sea level rate of rise is declining if the Antarctic is losing ice;

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/04/sea-level-rise-has-slowed-it-must-be-time-to-correct-that-data/

Speaking of declines rate of glacier decline is declining;

http://www.the-cryosphere.net/8/659/2014/tc-8-659-2014.html

AGW is ideology nothing more.
Posted by cohenite, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 3:49:49 PM
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Breaking News:

Greens Party of Canada changes policy to support nuclear.
https://www.greenparty.ca/new-members/topic/288970

Is this the beginning?

When will the anti-nuke dinosaurs stop their denial of nuclear power?

Likewise, when will ACF, Greenpeace, WWF, Labor and Greens stop resisting to progress?

When will all those who would like to be called 'Progressives' stop blocking progress?
Posted by Peter Lang, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 4:04:56 PM
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Retreating glaciers are not proof of global warming, ant, any more than global warming is disproved by advancing ice in the Antarctic. There are many reasons for retreat of glaciers of which global warming may or may not be one, in any particular instance. You cannot be as stupid as you pretend to be ant, in putting this rubbish in your post.

You are not even coherent. What do you mean by “I'm glad you have taken data that shows that major glaciers are not in retreat, Leo. “. What are you talking about? No wonder you believe in the AGW fraud.

Look at this: “Leo, you might be interested in how mosquitoes are committing fraud, “ Only someone deranged would write that.
How about a rational acknowledgement that you are aware of no science which shows any measurable effect by human emissions on climate? Something sensible instead of your pointless and irrelevant nonsense sbout ice and inuits.
Posted by Leo Lane, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 10:13:41 PM
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