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By Mike Pope, published 23/4/2014The Australian prime minister Tony Abbott is renowned for calling climate science 'absolute crap'.
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Posted by ant, Monday, 28 April 2014 1:09:18 PM
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Leo stated "AGW is a fraud, ant. Come up with science that says otherwise, or stop posting garbage."
I'm glad you have taken data that shows that major glaciers are not in retreat, Leo. NASA tells us from the data procured from satellites that glaciers are retreating; Leo please provide NASA with your data to set them right. Posted by ant, Monday, 28 April 2014 2:54:46 PM
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http://www.unep.org/dewa/Portals/67/pdf/Black_Carbon.pdf
The IPCC concedes that black soot reduced glaciers in the 1800s but increased soot now is not considered as a possible cause for SOME glacier reduction. Scientists have uncovered strong evidence that soot, or black carbon, sent into the air by a rapidly industrializing Europe, likely caused the abrupt retreat of mountain glaciers in the European Alps. The research, published Sept. 2 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, may help resolve a longstanding scientific debate about why the Alps glaciers retreated beginning in the 1860s, decades before global temperatures started rising again. Thomas Painter, a snow and ice scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., is lead author of the study, and co-authors include Waleed Abdalati, Director of the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES) at the University of Colorado Boulder. Posted by cohenite, Monday, 28 April 2014 3:39:43 PM
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cohenite, so you agree that anthropogenic climate change has caused glaciers to retreat in Europe. Quote, "...or black carbon, sent into the air by a rapidly industrializing Europe". You did say "SOME" glacial retreat. Soot does not explain what has been causing glaciers to retreat in South American countries, New Zealand, or the Himalayas. There is a suggestion that a part of the reason glaciers are retreating in Greenland is also soot; but warm temperatures, warm water undermining ice from above and below are seen to be the main factors. There is glacial retreat in Antarctica as well where no soot is present.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgnvbMwRaf8 copy and paste Posted by ant, Monday, 28 April 2014 5:50:20 PM
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Leo, you continually say that fraud is committed by climate scientists; are the Inuit living at Kivalina also committing fraud when they say that they are experiencing climate change? Their lifestyle is changing; the size of their island is diminishing through erosion, the ice that once protected their island is no longer there. They are no longer able to hunt for seal as successfully due to lack of large ice structures.
The military have built retaining walls; but they say that it is a stop gap project. The inhabitants of Kivalina will ultimately need to leave their island which will also happen to a number of other Inuit communities as well in Alaska. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr3favCFMbk copy and paste Posted by ant, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 9:13:56 AM
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http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/alaskan-polar-bears-threatened-too-much-spring-ice-0
Why are many glaciers, including in the Himalayas and Kilimanjaro increasing? Note also sheet ice in the Antarctica is increasing. You're flogging a dead horse ant. Posted by cohenite, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:37:41 PM
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However, the trend line shows that ice coverage has been decreasing for decades. What happens between one season and another is meaningless, changes need to be seen happening over decades. In the 1960s there did appear to be a decline though nothing approaching the period when satellites began to measure ice levels.
Data from satellites and scientists in situ indicate that major glaciers in Greenland and Antarctic are retreating. These trends have been evident for some time.
Glaciers are retreating elsewhere as well except for some exceptions.
The big question is why is there glacier retreat? The vast majority of scientists say that it is a reflection of anthropogenic climate change.
It is normal practice to rely on information provided by experts.