arjay/Tquote..<<>.This pre-occupation with illegals is a just a distraction from the real game of looting our economies and keeping us peasants subjugated>>

see how they sell suberbia..O US..in sitcoms
we bought into the dream..instead of family we are 'the team'
or the state..or the nationality..or the sex..or the skin..GROUP/MOB

my point is we are all..being made over into clones..
ONE BRUSH TARS US ALL/WE ARE ALL SINNERS/WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS.

we are all children
of the one most holy living living merciful wholly spirit.

how to explain..to loved ones..whats going d
own globally is they give us foodstamps or subsistence dole/
where most half/govt income..goes back direct to some capitalist ..landlord/tax free off shored trust..stealing govt bailout cash

[we ARE SEEING REAL ESTATE UP AGAIN IN IRELAND..yet still 5000 ghost estates..they bought up pennies in the pound..stand empty

but/what if..we could..get cash/from govt via rent assistance for immigrants ..nice sure govt cash-flow..to fill to fill the capitalist bill..dole/rent assistance..

[yet more drain/from the public purse..filled only by selling more public services..[privatisations..of govt income streams..or by ever more sin taxes or fees fines revenue acces chargES/other increases in govt theft..[read tax burden]

WE ARE SEEING HOUSES GO UP/..YET/SEEING EVICTIONS AND REPOSSESSIONS..homeless joblessness broken homes..go up to

THEN..HUGE GOVT..bailout/mates..with TAX ADVANTAGED FIRMS CREATING THE NEXT INVESTMENT BOND..bubble..[bunded RENTED HOUSING]...damm caps..ie the next bubble[rental houses paid for immigrants via dole payments]

its a hidden bailout/THE GROWTH MODEL DEMANDS
but..ONLY PUTS further NON PRODUCTIVE/Burden on us...ALL .GLOBALLY..
http://rss.infowars.com/20140417_Thu_Alex.mp3

i wish people would..get the facts
http://whatreallyhappened.com/node
GIVE THINGS A REST
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16225&page=0

Bruce,
It's pretty normal in these types of forums to use a pseudonym. What's more important is that you've got something interesting to say. I thought the first few posters here were doing well in contributing to the other side of the debate. Though they did it rather colourfully, the debate needed that balance. I would expect that anyone that was asking to get arrested and experience the inside of an Australian holding cell should be tough enough to take some well intentioned jibes and ribbing.

Michael Viljoen

Well said UOG. The next big economic collapse is coming and there will be far more refugees. The BRICS nations and others are bailing out of the US $ and it is losing its reserve status as a trading currency.

When big trouble happens at home,nations almost always go to war to subdue their own populations and steal resources/energy. The USA with 850 bases around the planet seem to think it can win a nuclear war. Luckily their elites have underground cities fully stocked where they can wait out a nuclear winter. There is even one under our Parliament house in Canberra.

This is why Russia and China are being demonised.

>>The reason why you live in a prosperous and free society (which is getting less free because of multiculturalism) is because Australia is still largely populated and ruled by white, and usually Christian people.<<

Other posters have written of Christianity as a civilising influence.

WW1 was fought largely among Christian nations. Nazi Germany had a concordat with the Vatican, and the German churches almost all supported Hitler and the Nazis. I am glad the atheistic communists managed to repel the Christian Germans.

The adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire directly led to the Dark Ages as the spirit of inquiry was suppressed in favour of following the dictates of the church. An example of that was the murder of Hypatia, woman teacher, astronomer and mathematician, in 415 CE at the hands of a Christian mob. She was a pagan who refused to adopt Christianity and taught counter to the injunction of St. Paul that woman should not teach.

In Spain under Muslim rule there was a Golden Age where Muslims, Jews and Christians lived together in harmony and contributed to the arts. This was followed by the Christian reconquest of Spain. The expulsion of Muslims and Jews along with the Inquisition followed.
After Luther challenged the Catholic Church the Wars of the Reformation resulted in the great slaughter of Christians by other Christians.

In the eighteenth century the founding fathers of the United States of America formed a new nation. To prevent a recurrence of the religious wars that had ravaged Europe they wrote a constitution which did not mention God or Christ and implied separation of church and state. Other western nations have followed that example, and there is a great degree of separation of church and state in many of them.

It is not Christianity that is the civilising influence. It is the separation of church and state that has limited the barbarism of religion. The separation has also benefited religion. Christians and followers of other religions can look to their religion to challenge the excesses of the state. That is what Laura Vertigan has done.

This is an excellent response, David!

Just a slight correction if I may:

<<It is the separation of church and state that has limited the barbarism of religion>>

Barbarism is not a feature of religion itself, but of certain institutions which are religious in name only.

Otherwise I truly commend your response.

The separation of church and state is essential for religion - otherwise state-affiliated churches suffocate religion.

@Davidf

<<In Spain under Muslim rule there was a Golden Age where Muslims, Jews and Christians lived together in harmony and contributed to the arts>>

It has been pointed out to you many times in the past that the idea of a tolerant golden age in Moorish Spain is highly exaggerated --but you have chosen not to assimilate it.