Jay

You are wrong the laws that suppressed US coloured people, black south africans and indians also suppressed King, Ghandi and Mandela. By what measure were they as free as those of european descent who shared their society? Especially Mandela?

Jay and there are no ne so blind as those who refuse to see.

The Truth About Nelson Mandela
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7HyuLPWF9I
The Truth About Gandhi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG2bKiRu48Y
The Truth About Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgqz3CaAWC0

There are none so blind as those who will not see? Well,indeed.
Let's briefly touch on the idolatry of the politically correct "Progressive".
These holy brown men are Progressive saints, professing as you do the tales of their martyrdom do you also accept that St Valentine really cured a child of blindness? Could St Agnes really foretell the future?
Could St Columba raise the dead?

Jay
I am liberal and have no truck with leftie green politics.

You are an idealogue who is absolutely as blinkered as the blinkered leftie green idiots.

Ghandi King and Mandela, as their actions showed, were more liberal than leftie greenie.
You have swallowed holus bolus the leftie greenie propaganda about all three. You probaly think Hitler was also rightwing and not a socialist.

Ima,
No I probably don't think that about Hitler, the NSDAP was a socialist organisation, the Hitler government used all the same tactics as the "defrormed worker's state" of the Stalin regime, dictatorship, elitism and terror and the SA were just German Bolsheviks, nihilistic revolutionaries who were "liquidated" when they'd outlived their usefulness.
In that case we find ourselves in agreement for the most part but you alluded to the progressive "trinity" and I, as always felt compelled to react. Language is important, what I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of the progressive ideals and how pervasive their memes have become.
By coincidence one of the men I follow on Youtube posted the following just today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sL-VYdduEw

Another Teacher waving here finger from the tower of her experience, harassing kids, she is full off the blind arrogance of that sheltered workshop.

All children in detention are there because of the Green/Labor policy of encouraging them, drowning some and then goaling the rest. A purely inherited problem, so how about some protests outside the decision makers office? Rudd has absconded but Gillard lives on the beach in Adelaide and Plibersek is just a bus trip in Sydney.