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What women need…. : Comments

By Mishka Góra, published 19/2/2014

Why aren't we also talking about what men need for St Valentine's Day? Why are we saying that women need support when they first need to take some responsibility?

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Rosarium,
There are so many females out there if only we could find a way to make them all women. The same of course goes for males.
Stop the chat shows & football on TV might help.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 22 February 2014 7:01:32 AM
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Rosarium,
Fair enough I see where you're coming from, but why post that video?
The link I supplied says much the same thing, women have historically held the upper hand in the mating game, which is really the only game in town and Feminism merely inverts the truth to give women total control without their having to take on any of the responsibilities of womanhood or matriarchy.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 22 February 2014 1:16:44 PM
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Rosarium, it surprises me that as a devout Catholic woman, you believe that women are the more powerful sex?

The strongly patriarchal Catholic Church does not allow women to be in any 'powerful' positions in the church, and states they have no contraception or abortion, so they would ideally spend all their reproductive years either pregnant or breast feeding.

Calling Mary a 'creature' is different too...

As for your very patriarchal and Catholic position on legal abortion, I would ask you how taking the decision of whether to be pregnant or not out of the hands of women would make them powerful in any way?
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 22 February 2014 5:44:11 PM
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Suse,
It's only a contradiction if you view the world as a progressive narrative, as recently as the 1920's up to 30% of women might remain lifelong spinsters for one reason or another so a good proportion had no choice one way or another.
There's also the progressive false consciousness which dictates that men who existed beyond the living memory of our contemporaries were brutes who had no compassion whatsoever.
Men have always loved their wives and children, wives have always loved their husbands and children, Men respected their wives and vice versa, they were no different to the people of 2014 in that regard.
Do you seriously think that husbands and wives didn't sit down and discuss family affairs, plan their pregnancies and take steps to avoid unwanted children? If a Man in 1600 or 1900 was faced with possibly losing his much loved wife and child at any point in the pregnancy or in labour don't you think he'd be very careful about how and when they made love? Knowledge of ovulation and women's monthly cycle is, for want of a better word "primordial", couples have always known the best time to have sex and no doubt engaged in non penetrative lovemaking when they didn't want to fall pregnant,Dr Alex Comfort didn't just invent all those sex acts in 1972 did he?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 22 February 2014 7:35:05 PM
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JoM, obviously this 'natural' family planning you speak of didn't work too well in heavily Catholic Ireland, because my Irish husband was one of nine children, and there were no families in the village of less than 7 children.....unless the mother had to have an emergency hysterectomy after only a few kids.

The family that lived across the road from my husbands family had 22 children!
Do you honestly think many men in those days would suggest to only have sex when it was 'safe'? It was the women who made those decisions, not the men.

I used to give the the lectures on contraception to the new mothers in the maternity wards before they went home.
We discussed all methods of contraception, including the 'billings method'.
There was always snickers of derision when I mentioned this pathetic method, because many told me that was the reason they were now here in the maternity ward!
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 22 February 2014 11:08:25 PM
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Suse,
Some couples still have lots of kids, some have a few, some have none, it's always been that way. Ireland hasn't fundamentally changed it's attitude toward contraception yet it's in the same demographic crisis as the rest of the EU with a below replacement level birth rate.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 23 February 2014 1:01:18 PM
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