#Yuyutsu

You labor under a serious misapprehension when you state (as do so many others):

" should Israel retain the territories it took in 1967 forever, or not."

The territories taken by Israel in 1967 have been divided into Areas "A", "B" and "C".

The PLO has gained complete administrative and security control of Area "A" and complete administrative and joint security control of Area "B" - both areas covering 40% of the West Bank and 95% of the Arabs who live in the West Bank.

Israel currently retains full administrative and security control of the remaining 60% -(Area "C")- in which only 5% of the West Bank Arab population lives.

Since the total area of the West Bank fits into Tasmania twelve times - the area of land we are talking about in Area "C" is very small - but strategically important for Israel - besides forming part of the ancient and biblical homeland of the Jews in which the Jewish National Home was to be reconstituted pursuant to the Mandate for Palestine.

Israel has indicated in offers made in 2000/2001 and 2008 that it would be prepared to withdraw from a substantial part of Area "C" in return for that piece of paper you seem so keen to ridicule.

It cannot get the PLO to sign up - as the last 20 years has proved.

Jordan can do the deal and thereby restore the status quo to that area it obtains which existed prior to June 1967.

With the PLO, Hamas and Al Quaida breathing down his neck - Abdullah needs Israel and America's support if he wants to preserve 90 years of Hashemite rule in Jordan - 78% of former Palestine.

Add a few billion dollars to economically revive the Arab parts of the West Bank returned to Jordan - and there is a formula that could work.

Not one Arab or Jew would have to leave his home or business in the West Bank under these proposals

If I was their lawyer - I would urge Jordan to grab the offer with both hands.

Wouldn't you?

#Yebiga

One day:

"I am brother to Jew, Muslim, Christian. Buddhist or atheist alike. I care not for their private relationships with their imaginary friends as I expect them not to care for mine."

On another day:

"The Religious state is by any measure of decency wrong, anachronistic, barbaric, anthropological.

It is high time for the world to turn its back on this bile."

Some brother...

For the fourth time:

"Please identify specifically who you claim to be "the growing number of Jews who are critical of the very existence of Israel.

How many are there and where are they based? Have you any articles you can point me to so we can have a facts based discussion?

I need to know where you get the information relied on by you which has prompted your question to me - especially since your ridiculous claim that Israel and Iran were the only two religious states in the world has been shown to be a load of codswallop.

Furnish the information and I will respond."

I am not going to search the Internet to find out whether there is any basis for your claim. You made it. You substantiate it. I will then be happy to discuss it.

In the face of your continuing evasive responses I can only conclude you do not have any evidence to support your claim.

Dear David,

<<in Area "C" is very small - but strategically important for Israel>>

Small as it may be, it's strategically important for Israel to have nothing to do with it, as area "C" contains, along with Eastern-Jerusalem, the most virulent strain of the poisonous sting which Israel swallowed in 1967.

<<Jordan can do the deal and thereby restore the status quo to that area it obtains which existed prior to June 1967.>>

(that status-quo, BTW, included ALL West-Bank and Eastern-Jerusalem)

But it would be suicidal for them. Why should anyone want to stick their healthy head in a sick bed, or have anything to do with the Palestinians and their cursed land? Do Jordanians want to become land-occupiers? Would Jordan like the Boycotts-Divestment-Sanctions movement to turn against them instead?

<<Abdullah needs Israel and America's support>>

Which you suggest to withdraw unless his majesty succumbs and participates in dirty schemes.

<<Add a few billion dollars to economically revive the Arab parts of the West Bank returned to Jordan - and there is a formula that could work.>>

If you have those billion dollars to spare, why give them to a middleman? Jordan is indeed a poor country, but not THAT desparate (have you seen their beautiful new terminal-building in Amman, built about a year ago instead of the decrepit old terminal that was falling apart? That shows that they can handle themselves quite well).

<<Not one Arab or Jew would have to leave his home or business in the West Bank under these proposals>>

This should be their private affair: nobody should be pulled out of their home by force, as it was a grave mistake in Gaza, but the Jews who decide to remain across Israel's border should not expect to be protected by Israel.

<<If I was their lawyer - I would urge Jordan to grab the offer with both hands.

Wouldn't you?>>

Of course I would, as lawyers always like to seduce their clients into mischief, but then I would also end up in hell once departing this temporary existence... Thank God I am not a lawyer!

David it is patently obvious that there is entirely no point in discussing anything with you.

I congratulate your cult on its amazing success. Its ability to twist logic, to subvert morals, to manipulate emotions, to rewrite history across a global theatre is unprecedented. Joseph Goebbels is a greenhorn in comparison. I perfectly understand why anyone would succumb to this patent display of superiority.

Having now reached the pinnacle of power thru a repeated formula of ingration and betrayal, how do you ensure the same formula does not now consume itself? Why would the cycle of betrayal stop? The seeds of self destruction are planted on the road to triumph. People will work together for a purpose but once a purpose is realised its always anti-climactic. The exulted position being impossible to sustain quickly chases its own destruction. The historical examples of what I have just revealed to you are countless.

The other lesson from history worth remembering is to be careful who you offend on the way up, because they will not forget you, when you are on way down

#Yebiga

After another diatribe you still fail to justify your statement claiming there are a "a growing number of Jews who are critical of the very existence of Israel."

I asked you the following questions:

"How many are there and where are they based? Have you any articles you can point me to so we can have a facts based discussion?

I need to know where you get the information relied on by you..."

Your continued failure to respond after making such an allegation is regretted.

In your own words:
" it is patently obvious that there is entirely no point in discussing anything with you."

David, my G-d, I am sorry
I think I have the answer, its so obvious , as the best answers usually are.

The Palestinians just simply convert! You see! Its genius!
They convert to Judaism enmasse - all hatred over, its amazing. I can't see a single flaw.

Infact, I think the whole world, we all just convert. We become Jews! All of us - its
Universal peace. What's in a name anyway, as The Bard said.? As far as I am concerned we can rename the earth too to Zion - that's optional of course.

But yes, I am now a Jew. We all are.its one big Jewish world. Its not like the Torah is that foreign to Christians and Muslims. Its a simple transition.

I am going to sing this to the world - oh it's beautiful
It is just like john lennons song imagine, well its close, no religion or one religion same - no distinctions.

May G-D bless you and forgive me for my previous ignorance.