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Palestine: Jordan not jumping for joy : Comments

By David Singer, published 13/2/2014

Jordan is becoming increasingly unhappy at the role US Secretary of State John Kerry might be planning for it in his eagerly anticipated framework agreement designed to end the 130 years old Jewish-Arab conflict.

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Dear Yebiga,

Had the Old Testament indeed been directly dictated to Moses by God, as some believe, then we could have called that text 'religious'.

However, I believe that we both and practically everyone else on this forum, agree that this is not the case (including Mr. Singer, for otherwise he wouldn't be commenting here on the Sabbath, contrary to God's instructions).

Anyone can write a book with anything they like in it, but Zionists want you to believe that theirs is a religious scripture, that it has God's own stamp on it, no less. They would very much like to convince you that Judaism is a religion and their actions religiously-motivated, which simply isn't true!

I can therefore suggest that for example instead of 'religion' you could use 'Judaism'; instead of 'religious' you could use 'Judaic' or 'Hebrew', etc. These are only suggestions as I have of course no desire to interfere with your style and content.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 14 February 2014 1:40:02 PM
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To the person who reckons that 4 corners was biased I suppose if you think telling the truth is bias,funny thing is that it was a co production.
With guess who, The Australian dear old OZs greatest Israel supporter,to David, the Anti Semite line is a bit tired old son,but you seem to cling to it like a security blanket.
But then like Zionists everywhere you to can see the clock ticking,it may take a long time but you will lose & a single state will be formed.
As for you biblical reference utter rubbish.
Posted by John Ryan, Friday, 14 February 2014 6:02:23 PM
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Dear John,

What made the city of Sodom a symbol of sinfulness?

Nowadays, most people would lazily answer that it was for their "unnatural" sexual practices.

But the original legend is different:

Accordingly, they had a particular bed in Sodom where all guests to the city were made to lie in:
Those that were found longer than the bed were chopped down, while those that were found shorter than the bed were stretched until they reached the bed's length.

That's what will happen if you force Israelis and Palestinians, of such different cultures, to enter the same bed - none will enjoy the experience!

Have you ever asked the ordinary people of either side whether THEY want to live together with the others (I mean to actually live with daily, as good neighbours, not to dispatch the others away), or is it just some international ideology which you try to impose on both, as if they haven't suffered enough already.

Yes, the occupation and the hostilities must end, as they all deserve to live in peace and dignity, but let them each wear their own shoes!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 14 February 2014 6:42:14 PM
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David
I was wondering if you would grace us with your take on the growing number of Jews who are critical of the very existence of Israel. The Jews not Zionist movement which purports that The entire Jewish religion has been subverted by Zionism.

I for one would deeply appreciate you views and whether you could explain this phenomena.
Posted by YEBIGA, Sunday, 16 February 2014 11:04:12 AM
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#Yebiga

You use the term "anti-semitism" eight times in your response to my post. I never used that term once

I use the term "Jew-hatred" or "hatred of Jews" to describe people with views like yours - views that call for the elimination of the only Jewish State whilst apparently supporting the right of Moslems to maintain 57 Islamic States.

I can only point out the hypocrisy in your refusal to say outright exactly the same things about those 57 Islamic States that you say about the one Jewish State.

That is a clear case of double standards - one for the Moslems another for the Jews.

That is your entitlement. Don't weep crocodile tears and claim victimhood when your Jew-hating credentials are exposed to the light of day.

You aren't the first Jew-hater and regrettably you won't be the last.

BTW - please identify specifically who you claim to be "the growing number of Jews who are critical of the very existence of Israel".

How many are there and where are they based? Have you any articles you can point me to so we can have a facts based discussion?

I need to know where you get the information relied on by you which has prompted your question to me - especially since your ridiculous claim that Israel and Iran were the only two religious states in the world has been shown to be a load of codswallop.

Furnish the information and I will respond.
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 16 February 2014 1:05:33 PM
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#Yuyutsu

There are many strands of Judaism who interpret the Old Testament in different ways -as there are different strands in Christianity and Islam.

Some Jews reply on Saturdays - some don't.

I find it intriguing that the "comments" section continues to be hijacked by people like Yebiga and John Ryan who have no intention of discussing or commenting on my articles.

That to me is a compliment in that they can find nothing they can challenge in my articles - seeking to divert attention from the message whilst preferring to engage in attacking the messenger .

There is a peace process under way - yet most people do not want to discuss it.

I wonder what motivates people to take the time to write as they do - mostly anonymously.

They seem hell bent on ending the Jewish- Arab conflict by getting rid of the Jewish State.

You grasp this cannot and will not happen.

Separation of Jews and Arabs as far as is possible has always been the goal of international diplomacy since the decision in 1922 to restrict the Jewish national Home to just 22% of the land of Mandatory Palestine originally intended for that purpose.

It continued with the Peel Commission in 1937, the UN partition Plan in 1947, the Oslo Accords in 1993, Camp David in 2000/1, the Roadmap in 2003, the offers made by Israel in 2008 and in the current negotiations.

All have been rejected by Arab leaders not prepared to divide Palestine between Jews and Arabs - whose rejectionist views still seem to find favour with many people like #Yebiga and #John Ryan.

The real regret is that the ordinary Palestinian Arab in the street has only once been given the opportunity to have his say.

You sum up the position so well:
"Yes, the occupation and the hostilities must end, as they all deserve to live in peace and dignity, but let them each wear their own shoes"
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 16 February 2014 1:20:54 PM
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