YEBIGA: Lets try to stick with the facts.

It's been awhile now since the Gulf War, so let's have a look at a few of your facts.

YEBIGA: Sadam is easily portrayed as insane,

Unfortunately, he was portrayed that way, but he knew exactly what he was doing when he murdered the Swamp people & gassed the Villages.

YEBIGA: Have we rescued the Iraqi people?

Well..... yes we did. Then THEY screwed it up. Not the Allies.

YEBIGA: A million murdered,

The Allies didn't do that the various Islamic factions did that themselves & are still doing it.

YEBIGA: thousands tortured,

Apart from a very small group of very stupid Yanks, the various groups of Islamic factions have been doing that themselves. Such is the Culture of the Middle East.

YEBIGA: their museums looted,

It was Sadams Republican Guard that was responsible for that & the robbing of the Banks.

YEBIGA: cities erased,

Name one.

YEBIGA: experimental weapons deployed,

So. they worked.

YEBIGA: 2 million displaced - and Sadam was evil!

If I remember correctly, and I do, people were leaving in droves even before the first Gulf War. They were trying to get away from Sadam. That's what prompted the Wars in the first place. Now they are leaving because of the various fanatical Islamic factions fighting each other. Now these people are escaping the Middle East & bringing their hatred of each others Islamic Sects & the West to the West. Should we allow this hatred to infect our Countries in the West? I don't think so.

The problems in the Middle East has nothing to do with the West. The West was trying to help these people & got mauled by the very people the West were trying to help in the process.

JayB,
This troll's racial thesis is shot down by one demonstrable truth,these wars have disadvantaged White people and saddled our children with debt they cannot repay, they may still bankrupt our states.
So the troll YEBIGA is actually putting the case of the warmongers who justified their actions by saying it was "our" duty as civilised people to take up the burden of spreading universal human rights and democracy.
George W Bush 26/1/2003
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyhqlkaHB0
John Howard 2003
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYuum8xOsY8

Advocacy of universal human rights and global democracy is warmongering, Liberal Humanism is the the equal of any of the most aggressive religious cults in the world today.
It's universalist world views and racial theses such as the one promoted by the troll YEBIGA which are the problem and they must be eradicated before WE, the authentic WE not shown in quotation marks can be liberated and enjoy our freedom.

Dear YEBIGA,

You are of course completely correct in your stance and thank you for putting it so firmly.

Please do not mind the others who have been slinging off at you here. The really nasty piece of work is jay of melbourne. The others are sycophantic, insecure followers of his who are easily lead and have their noses so far up his fundamental that they are unable to articulate anything for themselves. In fact it has been quite instructional to observe how he has managed to get them sing from his songsheet. I suppose this is how fascism propagates.

Any self respecting Australian would not want children in indefinite detention. They have indeed mainly come from war-torn, terrifying circumstances, some of which we were complicit in creating.

To step aside from our responsibilities as Australians, as a relatively wealthy country, and as hopefully decent human beings, should be beneath our dignity. That it is for okay for some is regrettable but they dishonour what this country has stood for over so many years.

In fact they are a cancer attacking the very notion of what it means to be an Australian and their bigoted, racist, narrow, unfeeling and grotesque attitudes need to be challenged by the likes of yourself and I commend your efforts.

Thank you.

Good afternoon to you YEBIGA...

May I be the first to congratulate you on your receipt of this highly coveted award ! Many have sought this prize. Most have failed. So now you may finally rejoice and luxuriate in that dazzling light of distinction, having now finally entered that exulted place of international prominence !

'The STEELEREDUX Award' for: - 'Honorary Protector; of the Invading and Illegal (Islamic) and Intruding Boat People'.

Steele Redux,
Coming from you those words are a compliment and validation of what I'm trying to do, I'm quite happy with the labels "Fascist" and "Nasty piece of work", it means the two or so hours a day I spend on this site aren't wasted and reinforces the point that reactionary, inegalitarian viewpoints are still easily transmitted via the internet when humanist ideas are not.
The internet is our space because facts and the latest information on any given topic are at everyone's fingertips, add to that the permanent record created by internet postings and the ever expanding global archive of cyberspace and it's no wonder "Fascism" is proliferating.
I seriously doubt that my nihilistic revolutionary standpoint has unduly influenced other posters, the more likely scenario is that they've simply come to the conclusion based on the actual facts available that they are not rich and privileged merely by belonging to a particular ethnic group and that a racial thesis is a racial thesis and a myth is a myth no matter who is promoting it.

I noticed how quickly the discussion was moved away from its focus on the children in Immigration detention to a discussion about the legalities of the boat people. I notice how quickly we stooped to denigrating the boat people and their supporters on this thread.
I applaud YEBIGA and SteeleRedux for standing up to the ad hominem attacks from a number of the usual suspects. Please keep standing up for what you believe to be right.