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Kids in detention: new AHRC inquiry : Comments

By Sev Ozdowski, published 7/2/2014

In fact, following the tabling of the report, the Howard Government released the approximately one hundred children still being detained in June 2004.

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This debate is so annoying and I hate, hate finding myself atleast in part on the side of the bleeding hearts.

To the point. We became thoughtlessly involved in a war in Vietnam back in the 1960s and 1970s. Through our involvement millions were killed and a country destroyed. To help wash away the sin, we opened our arms to 10s of thousands of Vietnamese refugees and are the better for it.

More lately, we decided to become involved in even more egregious wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Millions killed, millions displaced, the countries treasures looted, a people destroyed and terrorised. But these displaced people are not refugees. We take no responsibility, we have no shame.

Over 80% of boat people are from Afghanistan and Iraq. We destroyed their countries.
To debate the legality of their arrival by boat - as if they were luxury yachts - beggars credulity. For our media and politicians of all sides to successfully frame this debate as entirely a border threat is an abomination beyond words.

Sadly, Australia has become some kind of intellectually retarded zombie state. When confronted with sporting strategy we are still capable of displaying deep insight and genius but anything to do with power, how things are run, how resources are used, how we live and anything political its like someone lobotomised a part of our minds.
Posted by YEBIGA, Saturday, 8 February 2014 2:32:25 PM
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The Human Rights Commission would do well to make a noise about 13 year old girls being married to men in their 20's and older. No doubt this practice has thrived in our nation under Labour/Greens. Could you imagine the outcry if it was Isralies living here following this cultural practice. Well I suppose their obsession with Abbott hatred is more important to them.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 8 February 2014 2:43:58 PM
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YEBIGA,No, no and no.
There's no "we" here, there's only NATO and the U.N. "We" had no say in the matter.
"We" did not destroy anyone's country, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan,Somalia and Sri Lanka were destroyed by Afghans, Iraqia,Sudanese,Somalis and Sri Lankans in decades long civil, ethnic and religious wars.
You want to lay blame for the situation the illegals find themselves living in? Blame the dogma of universal human rights, blame feminist theory and it's effect in biasing the reporting on conflict and blame Christians for being such suckers for a sob story.
While you're at it blame SERCO, the Salvation Army,the Catholic church, Anglicare and the myriad refugee support services, local councils and QUANGOS for profiteering from people smuggling and the refugee industry.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 8 February 2014 4:20:43 PM
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Well said, JoM, Well said.
Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 8 February 2014 5:05:56 PM
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Ditto !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 8 February 2014 6:56:55 PM
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No. Many countries declined to participate in the destruction of Afghanistan and even more refused to participate in the entirely unjustifed pillaging of Iraq. We elected to join the coalition of the willing. We marched in step with the Bush led agenda. We bought our ticket, we share the responsibility.

Worse, the WMDs could not be found or even contrived. A million murdered, their museums looted, 2 million displaced. Entire cities wiped off the face of the earth. Incontrovertible evidence of widespread politically endorsed torture by coalition forces of Iraqi civilians, incontrovertible evidence of the deliberate murder of civilians by coalition troops.

Our behaviour makes the NAZIs look humane by comparison. The NAZIS could at least manage an occupied country without it descending into civil war and sectarian violence. When the NAZIs looted at least they recorded who took what and where. We on the other hand wilfully engineered a cultural destruction. and after 10 years of occupation the place is still a disaster zone.

Lets exercise the legal standards applied at the Nuremburg trials against the NAZI s for conducting an aggressive war, for human rights violations - than at the very least philip ruddock and john howard must be charged for crimes against humanity. They are both on public record attempting to justify torture. They endorsed an illegal war under ostensibly false intelligence but when the WMDs failed to materialise they did not exit the war but stayed the course. Any fair hearing of the case would have them hanged - may God have mercy on their souls - and their advisers, generals and support personnel convicted and imprisoned.

Any shred of justice demands that Australia embraces its guilt and accepts any and every Afghanistani and Iraqi within its borders. That we embrace this as our deserved penance and thereby rejoin the community of civilised nations. That we immediately severe all diplomatic ties with the USA until such time as the USA itself makes its confession of guilt, abandons its global hegemony, its fictional war on terror and commits to minimum standards of decency.
Posted by YEBIGA, Sunday, 9 February 2014 1:37:56 AM
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