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Truth is the first victim of war : Comments

By Bruce Haigh, published 28/1/2014

The Prime Minister, Tony Abbott and the Minister for Immigration, Scott Morrison, have taken Australia down a path from which there are only two outcomes, further aggression and confrontation with Indonesia or retreat.

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PtbI: PM Abbott on spying on SBY wife,

No he didn't. That was the Labor Party about 3 years ago. It was only just revealed when the Government changed so you really can't say it was Abbotts fault like they are trying to make out.

PtbI: D'oh, obviously Indonesia deploys warships due to reports of incursions by Australian navy, ie to protect Indonesia's sovereign borders.

Our Navy been going in & out of Indonesian waters chasing Boat People for years with Indonesia's blessing. It only after the spying thing came out that Indonesia feigned indignation. They actually shot themselves in the foot. Oh... that means that they are forced to do what Australia was doing for them with their blessing & for free. Now they have to bring their own boats out. Boats they said they didn't have. The ones Australia gave them for the job.

They were angling for more AID & the AID got cut which made them even more angry. Stiff doo doo.
Posted by Jayb, Sunday, 2 February 2014 9:40:32 PM
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@Jayb:

"That was the Labor Party about 3 years ago"
LOL, what a childish excuse. WWI & WWII was done when Australia was not under Liberal rule, so using your logic Australia now should not celebrate Anzac Day since it's another political party who did it?

"Our Navy been going in & out of Indonesian waters"
LOL, that's not what your PM Abbott says, ie it never happened before and it will never happen again.

"The ones Australia gave them for the"
LOL, where did you get this info? Our frigates are purchased from Netherlands & UK.

"They were angling for more AID"
LOL, foreign aid only accounts for 0.35% of Indonesian govt budget, while the largest aid contributor is Japan with Australia rather far behind. I don't think any Indonesian govt official will bat his eyelid over this kind of 'threat'. As Sukarno said, you can go to hell with your aid.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Monday, 3 February 2014 12:08:18 AM
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Proud to be ...
Not according to your government officials who are saying the deployment is to help stop the boats.

Try and keep abreast of developments. Tony Abbott has stopped the boats despite not having help from the Indonesian govt.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 3 February 2014 12:47:42 AM
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PtbI: LOL, where did you get this info? Our frigates are purchased from Netherlands & UK.

FOI PtbI.

Indonesia says they don't have boats that are capable of operating in International Waters or capable of rescuing these boats. Here is a list of Patrol Boats that Australia Patrolled with before the current batch doing the Patrolling.
KRI Sibarau. ex HMAS Bandolier.
KRI Siliman. ex HMAS Archer.
KRI Sigabu. ex HMAS Barracade.
KRI Silea. ex HMAS Acute.
KRI Siribua. ex HMAS Bombard.
KRI Sikuda. ex HMAS Attack.
KRI Sigurat. ex HMAS Assail.
KRI Tenggiri. Ex HMAS Ardent.
These Patrol Boats were a gift to Indonesia to patrol for these Asylum Seeker Boats. Why isn't Indonesia using them for patrolling their Coast line for what they were given for?

PtbI: LOL, foreign aid only accounts for 0.35% of Indonesian govt budget, while the largest aid contributor is Japan with Australia rather far behind. I don't think any Indonesian govt official will bat his eyelid over this kind of 'threat'. As Sukarno said, you can go to hell with your aid.

So what you are saying is that Indonesia is a Bludger on the World stage & scunges off everyone. How come Australia was threatened with retaliation, not long ago, when Australia threaten to cut back the AID.
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 3 February 2014 8:54:49 AM
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@Jayb:

"These Patrol Boats were a gift to Indonesia to patrol for these Asylum Seeker Boats"

Hmm, a quick browse through Wikipedia would show that these boats were SOLD to Indonesia way back in 1985 before any of this people smuggling issue.

Currently, we are patrolling with new ships recently purchased from Netherlands and UK.

Could you even make one statement which is factually correct?

"So what you are saying is that Indonesia is a Bludger on the World stage & scunges off everyone. How come Australia was threatened with retaliation, not long ago, when Australia threaten to cut back the AID."

LOL, when did we make threats over aid? In fact, when did Indonesian govt even mentioned "aid". Is this another of your self-flattery imaginations?

As for "bludger" and "scunges", based on Wiktionary it seems you suggest that we somehow rely on aid. LOL, as I mention we derive 99.65% of govt budget from our own resources. Hence, again these trivial amounts of aid does not even deserve mentioning when talking about Indonesia.

Australia received USD 1 mio aid from Indonesia during recent Victorian bushfires. Obviously Australia is a bludger who scunges off everyone.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Monday, 3 February 2014 4:03:57 PM
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Dear LOL Proud to be Indonesian LOL

Surely you meant "sponges off" not "scunges off". see http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080126013122AAQMwUT

If your intention is to abuse Australians at least get your terminology right.

LOL

Planta :)
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 3 February 2014 4:32:52 PM
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