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Truth is the first victim of war : Comments

By Bruce Haigh, published 28/1/2014

The Prime Minister, Tony Abbott and the Minister for Immigration, Scott Morrison, have taken Australia down a path from which there are only two outcomes, further aggression and confrontation with Indonesia or retreat.

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Hi Proud to be Indonesian

I believe you when you say " Indonesians do not care whether these 'asylum seekers' exist or not."

Indonesia's military, police and customs official don't object to most asylum seekers who land at airports in Java because Indonesia's military, police and customs official financially benefit from the $5,000 to $12,000 each asylumn seeker pays to people smugglers.

People smugglers make sure Indonesians in high places have good financial reasons to tolerate the constant bilateral problems with Australia that people smuggling from Indonesia is causing.

With people smuggler boats earning up to 100 x $10,000 = one million dollars there is no way your government officials would let all of the money stay in the hands of people smugglers. Hence your government officials receive "taxation", bribes or other forms of extortion from people smugglers.

I kindly suggest you read page 8 of this academic paper http://www.murdoch.edu.au/Research-capabilities/Asia-Research-Centre/_document/working-papers/wp141.pdf which sets out the circumstances.

Planta
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 2 February 2014 3:21:43 PM
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Hi Again Proud to be Indonesian

I forgot to say I hope you as an Indonesian are receiving people smuggler money - or do you have to be in the Indonesia military or a high official to profit?

Kind Regards

Planta
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 2 February 2014 3:25:12 PM
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@Plantagenet:

LOL, USD 1 mio is really peanuts considering our GDP is approaching USD 1 trillion. Say, we have 6% annual growth, this means every year Indonesian economy grows by USD 60 billion (which is already 60,000x bigger than the size of the puny "people-smuggling" thingy). Nobody in the higher ranks would bother lid their eye over such trivial amount.

Fact is, "people-smuggling" is so insignificant that it is simply out of mind and out of sight and out of the awareness of most Indonesians. Only Australians got into race-war panic mode over such small amount of defenceless women & children.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Sunday, 2 February 2014 3:49:37 PM
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LOL Proud to be Indonesian

So why does Indonesia continue to harbour so many people smugglers who are international criminals?

LOL

Planta
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 2 February 2014 4:03:34 PM
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Well Bruce that back down has occurred.

The Indonesians are now deploying their navy ... from recent reports the deployment is to help stop the boats.

They realise the Liberal Government in Australia is stopping the boats and they now want to be part of the success.

Proud to be ... yes if the Indonesian Government doesn't care, then why would they deploy the navy to help stop the boats?

Is it case of 'loss of face' they dread?
Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 2 February 2014 4:53:36 PM
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@Plantegenet:

As you may know, Indonesia already arrested plenty of so-called "people-smugglers" since ages ago, despite "people-smuggling" being not exactly illegal in Indonesia. Australia are really ingrates for insulting Indonesia over those who managed to pass by. Not helping is the dismissive attitude of PM Abbott on spying on SBY wife, which I guess led him to decide not to do what Australia 'asks' since he is personally offended.

You must be naive to expect Indonesia to 'comply' with all of Australia's demands, whims, and periodic racist outbursts like a lady having PMS. I don't think Australia would want to comply to Indonesia's demands either.

@imajulianutter:

D'oh, obviously Indonesia deploys warships due to reports of incursions by Australian navy, ie to protect Indonesia's sovereign borders.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Sunday, 2 February 2014 8:44:56 PM
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