cont..

Finally, you asserted in your earlier post that God had stuffed things up because He created an imperfect world and somehow compounds the problem but not preventing evil. According to Islam, there is no imperfection, all is as it should. We are perfectly human::

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “I swear by Him in whose hand is my soul, if you were a people who did not commit sin, Allah would take you away and replace you with a people who would sin and then seek Allah’s forgiveness so He could forgive them.” [Sahih Muslim (2687)]

AJ, nothing you have said so far has come remotely close to undermining the coherence of Islam's teachings.

salaams

sorry about the previous rough post[i got visitors]

anyhow..aj..the bible was clearly..written..by process of rev-elation..
[as man..evolved..a concept..and bedded it into..their heart.. gradually..as we evolved..we got higher revelation..

you..will/note..the evolution..of the wisdom..of our father..bit byy bit..AFTER..the tree of knowledge..in..the garden[recall..abraham.. loved god so much..he heard/the demons..[ergo/ego]..calling on him to sacrifice..his son..[but thankfully..his heart softened..enough..to hear the angels..and conceived..the scapegoat..

then..mosus/noah/jonah/soloman/issia jesus mahamoud..[chrishna/luther/swedenberg...mary/baker-eddie..wesley/george fox..ENDLESS..is the many messengers..SENT..of god..to evolve the spirits..of mankind..to where..we now..

NOW..we can sit side by side with those listening..to devils...[and yet KNOW..for a certainty..they are as helpless to change our faith..as we could possibly..have in changing thyne.

see that..if god had kept us..[without the temptation.]..inthe garden
we would be like the indignant..[native],,still living by whim..of sun/wind.. thunder..and the many other..powers we accorded god hood to..since tiime was begun..

i see it as a progressive revelation..that reveals the miracle
of course 'my'..messenger said..he is the last one..[and there will be no othe..but..god must be fair..angels AS MUCH AS..demons..IN-spired..our IN-spiritation..into word.

i can read..the words..and KNOW..that voice..THE SAME voices..that inspired..the original..still reverberate.,.through-out time..but evenmore..the auther...now..ADDS..to the mind-meld..

[BUT..is limited..to the life programing..of my life..
as to/how far..our minds..can SYNCHRONIZE,..to[with]..that which i can comprehend..at this stage..of our spirit evolution..

[for example.. helen ..[who recorded jesus words..in the acim.. couldn't grasp..much...of/the technical..psychology..of the writings thus bill was needed..to complete that stage..of the revelation..in the later transcripts

much like swedenberg..got completely..immersed..by/his revelation
but later writers have waded through this encyclopedic ocean..and grasped wonderful insights..[i will add too./.that..evenif it hurts..ginn..of the highest-station..alone..revvealed..some of the best bits of the holy texts

ALL..the holy texts
because god must be fair..to both sides
its IMPORTANT..as its vital[key]..to validate it was by/of mens freewill..not of gods will.

the ego..here is key
[ego is..herd/or beast reactive-mind]
that..IS..the angelic as..,much/as the demonic..[yet we think..its us]

god loves the good..we all become..and there is the rub
greater good..needs a great evil..to..overcome
[see great evil..allows for higher good...
in ending it*..

[charity..is a result..of the[inner-]..urge to minimize
sufferance]but necessarily..sufferance proceeds relief

and..there is/the crux..where we stand today
the next step..[how to..unify..thiest/atheist]..without loosing the ESSENTIAL/qualities..of EITHER*[together..we reveal..the/greater good[god]

who..[dorkins*..and*..the/pope?]

some people..take things as signs
like recall the ice-man[grand inquizitor].?
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/wsl/wsl11.htm
then but a few signs
[thus be carefull..for what you pray for

'Iceland model: How to deal with bankers
should be standard for whole world'
http://xrepublic.tv/node/6566

Iceland Jails Former Bank Bosses
http://sorendreier.com/iceland-jails-former-bank-bosses/

http://investmentwatchblog.com/snowburst-5-to-6-feet-of-snow-in-upstate-new-york/

they say..a picture=1001..words

In Turkey, goats (still alive) coated with ICE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OW9jlnCjM8&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OW9jlnCjM8&feature=player_embedded

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/gorecicle.jpg
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/snow1.jpg

http://www.visibleorigami.com/2013/12/love-and-fear-and-heart-of-populace.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/andrew-p-napolitano/a-conspiracy-so-vast%E2%80%A8/

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/12/bankers-arrested-civil-war-averted.html

>>Ojnab,..<<..Please OUG can you write so we can all understand what you are saying,>>

clearly..not..<<

How do you know if you've never tried?

Cheers,

Tony

Hi Grateful,

<<Are you saying that Islam encourages slavery?>>

FYI


KUWAIT CITY // Salwa al Mutairi, a former parliamentary candidate, said in a video posted on You Tube last month that sex slaves should be legal and prisoners from war-torn countries, such as Chechnya, would make suitable concubines.

Ms al Mutairi said she asked Saudi muftis what the Islamic ruling was on owning sex slaves while on a trip to Mecca because she had a male colleague who was "young and something of a womaniser".

The mufti told her it is not haram, or forbidden, she said. "The context must be that of a Muslim nation conquering a non-Muslim nation, so these jawari have to be prisoners of war."

Jariya is an Arabic term meaning "concubine" or "sex slave". The plural of the word is jawari.

Ms al Mutairi said free women must be married with a contract but, with concubines, "the man just buys her and that's it. That's enough to serve as marriage".

The ruling was confirmed by "specialised people of the faith" in Kuwait, she said. "They said, 'That's right, the only solution for a decent man who has the means, who is overpowered by desire and who does not want to commit fornication, is to acquire jawari'."

Offices could be opened to run the sex trade in the same way recruitment agencies provide domestic labourers, Ms al Mutairi suggested.

"One of the countries where [I see this trade is possible] is Chechnya. The country is at war with another state, so there are some captives for sure. I say go and buy those captives, they might just die of hunger over there. I say go and buy them and sell them to merchants here in Kuwait who may otherwise commit a sin."

"I don't see anything wrong with it, nothing at all," she said, adding that the caliph Haroun al Rashid had one wife and more than 2,000 concubines in his possession when he died.

"SO THERE'S NO SHAME IN IT AND IT IS NOT HARAM, OUR SHARIA LAW ALLOWS IT," she said.
http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/men-should-have-sex-slaves-says-female-kuwaiti-politicia

cheers tony..
sorry i was unclear..[to closed..minds]

but lets fix special agent provocateurs first

S.p-qr..mate..some/of you..follow talmudic law..]
yet others follow shhhharea..[thats much like the..zion/athiest..law]

yopurmasters..hjave the same thing
BUT noone talks about that either

the godless have no conscience
besides..blackmailing our leaders..[with kids]

anyhow..lets judge them..later.

lets see..
what laws..do settlers..
in..dark/places..[inothers lands/with duel passorts
diplomatic immunity..etc..[what HOLY text..do they..live under?

talmudic [sic*].law?

http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm
quotations;..from the Soncino Edition
of the Talmud,(Book]

SANHEDRIN,..55b-55a:.."What is meant by this?...

Rab said:..Pederasty with a child
below nine years of age..is not deemed
as pederasty..with a child above that.

(footnotes)"..The reference is to..
the passive..'subject'/..*victim..of sodomy

UNDER NINE

now lets..go younger

YEBAMOTH,60b..*...Rabbi.Ramanos who conducted an/inquiry..and..'found'..in it

the daughter of a..'proselyte'..
who was under..the age of three years[and one day]...,

and Rabbi declared her/eligible*
to live with a priest."

(footnotes)"..A proselyte..under the age of three years
and one day may...be married by a priest...

*And was married..to a priest.

(i.e.,permitted to continue/to live with her'husband'."]

[not gods mozaic..law..like in./.the bible

(Book)

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp%3Fdiscussion%3D3071%26page%3D0&sa=U&ei=Mk6eUp36Ks2ZlQWzn4D4DA&ved=0CBgQFjAJ

Child sacrifice..was practised in ancient times..as offering to the Ammonite god Molech..a worship of natural fertility..*which was forbidden*by the laws of Israel. See Leviticus 18:21; 20:1 - 5; 1Kings 11:7; 2 Kings 1717; 21:6; 27:10; Jeremiah 32:35; Ezekiel 16:21.

[is/this..what the settlers,,[under..THE ATHEIST[secular]..star..are doing..in the deserts..of/the..lampstand..[the/fox/in..the hen-house?]

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2994&page=0

tell me...ever heard..of the/clean hands doctrine?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15664&page=0

anyhow tony
was that 'clear' enough?