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Human violence: understanding it; ending it : Comments

By Robert Burrowes, published 10/10/2013

Why does fear prevent an 'intelligent' individual acting on sound evidence? There are many reasons.

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Sydney Morning Herald for Tuesday, November the 7th, 1995.

Quote:
Businessman shoots 'raskols'

By Lucy Palmer

PORT MORESBY, Monday: A buisenessman has left Papua New Guinea
after he shot dead four armed "raskols" who assaulted diners in a Port Moresby restaurant on Friday night.

Police confirmed that the businessman and long-term resident of Port Moresby, believed to be an Italian, was in Australia and would not be charged over the shooting.
"He's not been charged with anything; we believe he was acting in self defence,and he's justified under the law," a police spokesman said.
....
The killings have shocked the Papua New Guinea capital, although many expatriates and senior govenment officials said their sympathies lay with the man who was having dinner with his pregnant wife.

"This is the first time a large group of armed attackers were given a dose of their own medicine," a spokesman for the Prime Minister, Sir Julius Chan, said.

"The law-abiding citizens, if they have the means, can retaliate with or without the help of law enforcement officers," he said.

Police said the gang burst into the popular Cathay Club at about 10pm on Friday, shooting dead a security guard.

They ordered the diners to lie on the floor and began emptying their pockets. The gang saw a bulge in the trouser pocket of the expatriate businessman and, believing it to be a wallet, ordered him to hand it over.
The man then pulled out a loaded pistol, for which he had a licence, and immediately shot several of the gang.

Two were killed instantly. The bodies of another two were found later outside. Another two suspects, who were also wounded, were in the Port Moresby General Hospital under police guard.
.... A female patron suffered a gun pellet injury to the buttock.

Astralian Associated Press. unquote.

One newspaper report of the incident. He is Australian not Italian and time has possibly dimmed my recollection there were five dead but one was murdered by the criminals and by this account he shot six, killing four; good shooting under stress in anyones book
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 12 October 2013 8:31:01 PM
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In Queensland:

- OMG bikies brawl in restaurants before shocked mums, dads and kids;
http://tinyurl.com/bikie-brawl-Gold-Coast

- there are drive-by shootings, arson and other violent criminal behaviour directed by OMG bikies at other clubs over drug territory;

- a policeman was shot in the face; and

- police allege that OMG bikies launder millions of drug money through legitimate businesses as fronts.

However the leader of the Labor opposition, Ms Annastacia Palaszczuk, who was born into a comfortable existence that included completing a Master of Arts abroad (London), has been concerned about the rights of OMG bikies.

But apparently the same Labor leader sees no problem in police keeping the intimate personal details of ordinary, respectable, law-abiding licensed citizens on computer as 'persons of interest', and fully-uniformed police conducting routine, random, compulsory inspections in ordinary, respectable, law-abiding licence-holders' homes, and of course questioning them at the same time. No worry about their rights, obviously. Nothing to be found either.

No worry either that police are monitoring the wrong guys (and gals).

Nonetheless Labor favours more 'gun control', whatever that is. As long as it doesn't upset the tender sensibilities of those nice OMG lads, or the well-known (to the media) criminals who run clubs in Brisbane's Valley district, and other entrepreneurial gangs who exploit drugs and other nasty businesses - gang members that the federal government has been busily importing along with the migrant intake. Best not talk about that. It is all 'Never you mind'.

Best to apply criticism and enforcement where there are no problems. That is at ordinary, licensed, law-abiding citizens. Safer and easier that way.

Suseonline, "It is just a vicious cycle in that if someone has a gun, then someone else will want one 'just in case' they need to protect themselves from the first one"

No, the problem is illegal ownership and use. Regrettably, the millions to be made from drug trafficking attract criminal gangs who use all manner of weapons, including fire accelerants and bombs.

The $million windfalls from drug trafficking corrupt to the top of society, including the judiciary.
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 12 October 2013 9:29:58 PM
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The point you have chosen to ignore, Susieonline, is that if your society is becoming more and more violent, then intelligent people should be a lot more interested in what is changing in their society, rather than always blaming something that was always present, and which after forty years of ever stricter controls on has done nothing in terms of altering violent crime rates, other than making things a lot worse. In shooting parlance, that is called "shooting at the wrong target."

Violent crime has always existed and it always will. But what we are interested in is that violent crime rates, especially armed robbery, random acts of senseless violence, and drive by killings, are rising spectacularly. The fastest growing crime statistic in the USA is juvenile homicide. The state of NSW has opened four new prisons in the last twenty years, reopened two ancient closed ones (Berrima and Parramatta) to handle the increasing load of new offenders. And that with novel new punishments like home detention and community service which are programs designed to hold down costs. In addition, people in the past were once jailed for crimes like homosexuality, bigamy and adultery, which today we do not consider to be crimes at all.

Gun laws are simply a litmus paper test of how violent your society has become. Violent societies generally need stringent gun laws while peaceful societies generally do not. There is a far more evidence directly linking ethnicity to crime rates than there is linking guns to crime rates, but people like yourself avert their eyes to the former and always focus entirely upon the latter. The need to appear publically non racist is far more important than thinking objectively.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 13 October 2013 3:07:05 AM
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LEGO, "The fastest growing crime statistic in the USA is juvenile homicide."

Linked to fatherless families - an inevitable conclusion that Foxy et al would choke on for sure, being at odds with their feminism and Statism.

<An American FBI agent who specialises in serial killers has said that most of them come from a dysfunctional family with an absent father. A magistrate I happened to dine with not long ago told me that the overwhelming number of youth offenders he deals with in court come from broken homes and/or fatherless families.

Even researchers who are wary of making a connection between broken families and crime have conceded that some relationship exists between the two. For example, Demo and Acock, who reviewed dozens of studies on the subject, concluded: “A tentative conclusion based on the evidence reviewed here is that antisocial behaviour is less likely to occur in families where two adults are present, whether as biological parents, step-parents, or some combination of biological parents and other adults”.

Strong connections between crime and family breakdown have been made by the Centre for Independent Studies in Sydney, which compared crime rates with out-of-wedlock birth rates from 1903 to 1993. It found that the “percentage of ex-nuptial births correlates significantly with both serious and violent crime at both one and two decades time lapse”.>

http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/muehlenberg/2010/02/the-perils-of-fatherlessness
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 13 October 2013 5:50:38 AM
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I agree with you 100%, OnTheBeach. Family breakdown is one of the main reasons why our society is getting more violent while at the same time our gun laws are becoming more stringent.

Australia's crime rates began their upward spiral at the end of the 60's decade when a series of events coincided to begin the process of social decay. The first, was the liberalisation of immigration requirements which meant that people from notoriously crime and welfare prone ethnic groups were encouraged to immigrate into Australia.

The second, was the liberalisation of our censorship laws to the point that the media began creating entertainment products openly glamourizing violent criminal behaviour and presenting violent criminals as heroes who's behaviour was worth emulating. Criminal heroes were always handsome, self assured, possessed the most sexy girlfriends, had the coolest lines, the nicest cars, and they led exciting, adventurous lives.

Such violent movies and "rap" songs were engineered to specifically appeal to young, low status, low IQ males, precisely the same demographic that are the ones most likely to get into trouble. And the ones most likely to use the on screen role models behaviour as scripts for their own.

This liberalisation occurred during the time of easy divorce in Australia and in other western countries. Today in Australia one third of all families are single parent, which is a real concern to society when you appreciate that the family is the societies primary socialising instrument.

Fatherless boys, who's only window to the world is a TV set, are bombarded with messages which tell them that taking drugs is OK, violent men are heroes, women are just body parts to be looked at, being in a criminal youth gang is cool, always criticising authority is the mark of intelligence, and picking a up a weapon and killing your enemies is the mark of a Real Man.

Then when a kid does just that and walks into school blowing away his teachers and fellow students, we ask ourselves "How could this happen?". "Why doesn't he know right from wrong?"

Then blame the gun.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 13 October 2013 7:06:27 AM
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Just because young, dark-skinned, Muslim immigrants of low I.Q. and low socio-economic background, living in Sydney, who grew without a father and like "rap" music, are prone to shoot around if they have guns, does not imply that a white, Catholic, Australian-born, intelligent and wealthy old lady who lives in the country-side, likes classical-music and grew up in a loving family, should be prevented from having a gun besides her bed in order to protect herself and feel safe.

That's how far 'political-correctness' divorces people from reality.

Afraid of discrimination? Discrimination includes the ability to distinguish between good and evil - we need more of it!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 13 October 2013 7:36:25 AM
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