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Human violence: understanding it; ending it : Comments

By Robert Burrowes, published 10/10/2013

Why does fear prevent an 'intelligent' individual acting on sound evidence? There are many reasons.

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Is Mise.. sorry, but did I read your post right, your friend shot the five gangsters dead? What country was this? I think you may have misheard or misremembered the anecdote...
Posted by Curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 October 2013 3:51:36 PM
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You read me right.

He shot the five dead, when they told everyone to lay on the floor, that could have been a prelude to them shooting everyone.
He was not going to have his wife placed in such a predicament so he killed them.
Simple as that.

Happened in Port Moresby, New Guinea.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 10 October 2013 9:04:12 PM
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The relationship between inappropriate adult violence and child-rearing methods that deprive a child of all respect for their own feelings and needs has been known and written about extensively since at least the early 20th century.

However, this body of factual knowledge rarely gains much traction in the wider world, because it is too much at odds with the way hierarchical societies are structured. Even the psychology-related professions shun it in favour of behavioural modification methods designed to enable those in power to better manipulate and control the masses.

I share the author's views on how children are conditioned to inappropriate violence through socially sanctioned, violent parenting methods. However, I don't share the author's belief that the system can change - unless some apocalyptic event forces us back to living in non-hierarchical social structures again. The best we can hope to achieve under the current system is to minimise inappropriate violence within our own sphere of influence.
Posted by Killarney, Thursday, 10 October 2013 9:18:37 PM
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Is Mise

‘He was not going to have his wife placed in such a predicament so he killed them.’

Oh, come on now! The guy wasn’t going to have HIMSELF placed in such a predicament. He would have done the same thing if his wife were nowhere near the scene and few would blame him. Why do men have to use women to justify their violence towards other men?
Posted by Killarney, Thursday, 10 October 2013 9:28:57 PM
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I don't know what the answer to the increasing violence in our world, but I do know I wouldn't want to live in the violence-riddled country of America.

In a land where gun ownership is considered a religion and a God-given right, the incidence of murder by gun is far higher than countries like ours, where gun laws are tighter.

Is Mise, if what you said is true, I wouldn't want to know your 'friend' in New Guinea who felt the need to wear a gun when taking his wife out to dinner!

It must have been an impressive gun if he took out five men before they got him?
He was the judge, jury and executioner of five men.
I hope he was jailed.
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 10 October 2013 9:56:11 PM
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Interference in genetically-derived objects, or in any other objects for that matter, is not violence: a pre-condition for violence is that it is believed to adversely affect another individual.

Violence may be carried out for the purpose of seeking attention, but also for a 1000 other reasons. If you care to dig sufficiently beneath the surface of these reasons, you will always find fear as their basis.

Did the killer of five believe that by shooting he adversely affected those five individuals?

I don't know - does anyone here know? Was he ever asked how he believed his shooting affected those five attackers? He possibly believed that by shooting he in fact brought them relief, saving them from a life of crime and the agony of the eventual remorse - if that was the case, then his action might have been right or it might have been wrong, but he was not violent.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 11 October 2013 12:11:25 AM
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