Suseonline, "If there were tighter gun laws in the US, no one would find it easy to get their hands on guns of mass destruction, whatever their race"

Intending offenders will always get the weapons they need, be it petrol, guns, knives or whatever.

The 'tighter gun laws' you speak of only apply to citizens who obey the laws anyhow. They of course aren't into drug trafficking and gangs and don't kill others.

As has already been put to you, the gun violence in the US is black on black - low socioeconomic black on black in slums, usually involving gangs and drugs. They do not get licences and they wouldn't qualify for one anyhow. They do not possess their guns legally. They do not use guns legally. They don't recognise bans or restrictions and they will source guns from somewhere else anyway and imported if necessary. They will manufacture guns if required, or invent more destructive ways to enforce their territory. Too easy.
It is already happening in Australia where OMGs use arson and bombs, and guns are the mild tools in their arsenal.

As a leftie though, you wouldn't want to come down hard on the people who buy the drugs that deliver the windfall profits that attract and resource the criminal gangs, now would you? Because all of those well paid trendies who buy the recreational drugs are the lifeblood of the drug industry. If they stop buying the drugs for their entertainment, there wouldn't be so many thugs manufacturing the stuff and fighting over territory.

anyhow..the thread..seems to/be not going..to plan
but as the topic..ends with..'ending..it'..i..thought it..helpful
from/page33

http://www.divinetruth.com/PDF/People/Other/Jane%20Sherwood%20-%20Post%20Mortem%20Journal.pdf

..<<..One only..I will mention..because his coming..illustrates..a too-common problem...What happens to..the unfortunate-soul..who puts an end to..his own existence?

<<..In many/in most..of such cases..the pressure..of work..and worry, combined/with..private misfortune..have unsettled..the reasoning..of man..[or this is..the would-be charitable..verdict of the Coroner’s Court.]

<<..There are...few men..who have not..in their make-up
that weak-point..at which..self-control..breaks down.

In most/cases..courage..has been sapped..by self-pity..and so..the breach..of moral rectitude..is carried..for..by a flood..of despair.

No man..can judge,..rightly..because..each of/us..has his breaking/point..whether life..tests us..to the limit..or not.

The friend..[departed/spirit]..of whom..I speak..was found almost immediately..and I was able/to..go to him...He was in..a kind of stupor..[state..of bewildered-confusion]..and I..was told..that he might remain..in this state..for a long time..and that nothing could be done..about it.>>..

other books reveal..that/these..folks are fixated..upon their selves..[ergo/ego]..and their own pains..[that]..many..are so..self bound-up..in them-self..they remain attatched..to their dead corpse..for ages..

others feign death..because they dont conceive..life after death..but this is a surety..[energy..*cant be..destroyed]

..anyhow

<<..We watched over him..and were loath..to leave him..in the misty half-region..where he was found...It was a tract..I myself had known in time past.

Until..he regained consciousness..[important point]..there he/had to remain;..had we..forcibly removed him..his poor..[astral]-body..would not have been-able..to stand..the conditions of our plane..and so we had to leave..him there...>>

nothing*..is forced..upon other..in the next realm
its..an unwritten law..[respect*]..let him self deceived..remain deceived.

<<..Now..and again..I went back..to find him..still in
the same..quiet coma,..and seeing..the state of his..astral form..>>

such..trauma..events tear it..to shreds

<<..I almost dreaded..his..eventual awakening...Suicides..often show this..long-lasting coma.>>

see the sleepers
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf

<<..It is really..a merciful pause..during which
some of..the damage..to their..*emotional bodies..is quietly made good.>>

note..our astral bodies..[our soul]..are..not like our flesh body..but more like..frozen-water..[or haze/mist..aether]..[that gets stained..by our life experiences..and dulls..the emission,[radiance],of our..life spirit..[within]..

<<>>Much always..remains for them..to do..when they come to themselves..>>

if only..we..could convince..them..
that death..only complicates..things..before they try to escape life's..material-prison

<<..and in..D–s’/case,..Mitchell asked me..to make periodic visits..to him..so that he might find..a familiar face when he awoke>>

anyhow..you no..doudt
have your..doubts..too

read...
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

it was written..by your peers
i reveals..simple ways to..fix the issue
[not that..your peers..would fund..that sort..of sure fix]

repeat*..custom..is money
but..if you..want..the cure..cast a wider net;)

Killarney,

Had he not been thinking of his wife he could have opened fire much earlier, but he was content to be robbed but not to have his wife murdered, not all men think of themselves first.

If the mere presence of guns caused violence, Susieonline, then every society with lax gun laws would be violent. That is not the case. The European country with the laxest gun laws is Switzerland, who's homicide rate is one of the lowest in the world.

Similarly, the those parts of Australia where gun ownership is high is in the rural areas of Australia where gun crime is almost non existent. Many country towns in NSW have never had an armed robbery in their entire history. Similarly, most Australian states once had almost non existent gun laws with rates of gun crime much lower than today where gun ownership is very restricted. The state of NSW has now made its gun laws more onerous no less than six times in the last 40 years with the result that gun violence is worse than ever.

In the year 2001, the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics published a paper entitled "Firearms and Violent Crime in NSW" (issue 57) in which it showed that 55% of the handgun shootings in the entire state of NSW occurred within the boundaries of two of Sydney's most notorious and crime prone ethnic ghettoes.

There is infinitely more evidence to provide a causal link between crime and ethnicity than there is between gun ownership and crime. Yet well meaning humanitarian people like yourself refuse to look at the facts and will always seek to blame guns because discerning a self evident causal link between ethnicity and crime is blasphemy to your humanitarian principles.

Remember Susie, the true test of an intelligent person is the one where they admit, "may the truth be told, though the heavens may fall."

"Is Mise, if what you said is true, I wouldn't want to know your 'friend' in New Guinea who felt the need to wear a gun when taking his wife out to dinner!

It must have been an impressive gun if he took out five men before they got him?
He was the judge, jury and executioner of five men.
I hope he was jailed."

Susie,

Doubting my veracity? Isn't that a form of violence ref. the article?

He felt the need to carry a gun because he was in Port Moresby and he was licenced to carry it.
It turned out that he was right to take it to the night club.

He wasn't gaoled but he did have to leave New Guinea because of 'payback' and the inability of the authorities to protect him and his family.
The gun was a run of the mill pocket pistol, nothing special and they didn't get him at all, he was the 'getter' they were the 'got'.

As an example, the last time that I shot on an Army range the Range Officer made a suggestion "Sir, I think you should use two hands" as I took my position on the firing line with the service issus 9mm Bpowning pistol.
I declined his advice and put 8 shots into a 7.5 inch group on the chest of the figure target.
Timer read 3.23 seconds.

It's not so much the pistol but the ability of the shooter; by the way I'm not very fast.

God forbid, if this country had to go to war, for every one soldier there would be 1000 protestors, and ten times that amount advising on the acceptable way to perform the task.