Suseonline, "In a land where gun ownership is considered a religion and a God-given right, the incidence of murder by gun is far higher than countries like ours, where gun laws are tighter"

Your hoplophobia predisposes you to labour under the false belief that inanimate weapons, guns in this case, somehow create a crime wave.

Yet you have been informed time and time again on this forum with links to authoritative sources provided, that gun violence in the US is almost always low socioeconomic black on black in slums, usually involving gangs and drugs.

What does it take, a jack hammer to get it into your head? LOL

You can not "end" violence because violent behaviour is intrinsic to the human condition. As Mao tse Dung once said "All political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

We live in a paradoxical world where attitudes to violence differ from culture to culture. All cultures recognise that it is socially appropriate behaviour for people to respond to external threats to the State with violence. Every nation has an army. However, cultures differ markedly in their acceptance of internal violence.

Some nations have very violent cultures where men possess a medieval concept of honour and they are expected to react violently to every slight upon their self esteem. Other nations most definitely do not posses such a concept, instead their cultural beliefs centre around the fact that they consider violent people as being utterly stupid because they are not in control of their emotions.

However, even in countries where violent behaviour is frowned upon violence can never be eradicated because some men (and very few women) are genetically predisposed to violent behaviour. This is a fact recognised in western courts where violent offenders can be treated leniently if they admit to the court that they have a mental problem that they have trouble controlling, and that they are serious about seeking treatment for that problem.

The problem for western nations is that we are importing people from violent cultures into our countries. And we are also importing people from races who have a much higher genetic predisposition to violent behaviour than our own. In addition, we are now teaching our young men that violent behaviour is admirable behaviour.

Violent movies where women are usually depicted as sex objects who are strongly attracted to violent men are engineered to appeal to low status young men, the very demographic that is most at risk of emulating the violent on screen behaviour.

Anyone stupid enough to think that the images and messages transmitted by the media have no effect upon human behaviour should remember that the entertainment industry is largely sponsored by the advertising industry which claims the exact opposite.

In summary:

1. I want other people to dislike the things I dislike.
2. I know people dislike violence.
3. If I call the things I dislike 'violence', then perhaps other people will be fooled into disliking them too.

You really need to get a lot better at the pea-and-thimble trick before you can expect something like this to work.

Two good posts above.

OTB, you are easily amused. No sense, no feeling?
I didn't bring race into the subject, you did.

If there were tighter gun laws in the US, no one would find it easy to get their hands on guns of mass destruction, whatever their race.

You are just as dead by gun shot, whomever pulled the trigger...

LEGO, "The problem for western nations is that we are importing people from violent cultures into our countries. And we are also importing people from races who have a much higher genetic predisposition to violent behaviour than our own"

That is very similar to what was said by a retiring commissioner for police (NSW?) around 6 or so years ago, maybe more. He said that we were bringing in people whose tradition it was to solve their disagreements with a weapon, preferably a knife or a gun or failing that, whatever was to hand.