There are small portions of ultra left whingers who suffer from deliberate amnesia.

After WWII American put in place the Marshall plan to rebuild the economies of Europe and Japan, set up democracies and relinquished control of the areas it captured. The USSR set about installing puppet dictators and secret police in all the areas it occupied, and sent millions to its death camps in Siberia.

Russia's efforts are remembered, but not with any gratitude.

Hi Geoff, LEGO and David G and "one under god" (the poet)

A poll, released by WashPost, indicates most of the US public oppose strikes against Syria http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/09/03/most-in-u-s-oppose-syria-strike-post-abc-poll-finds/ that's the good news.

The bad news is that in the last 12 hours the Obama Administration have probably convinced most in one part of Congress (the US House of Reps) that strikes are warranted. As the House is Republican dominated (normally opposed to anything Obama does) the House may be the hardest nut to crack.

Obama now needs to convince the Democrat majority Senate. If he does convince most in the Senate (and the House formally votes on 9 and 10 Sept in favour of strikes) then the strikes would be on.

The US would currently be lobbying-pressuring allies to be ready to form a coalition to support US and French action. US coalition building for strikes might rope in Australia to provide largely symbolic military support.

The most visible type of Australian military support would likely be the frigate HMAS Newcastle currently deployed just off the Middle East

HMAS Newcastle is deployed as part of "Operation SLIPPER, the Australian Defence Force contribution to the international campaign against terrorism, smuggling and piracy in the Gulf of Aden, and for enhancing regional maritime security and engagement."

http://news.navy.gov.au/en/Sep2013/Operations/363/A-view-from-the-other-side.htm#.UiaUB51-_X4

Pete

pete..we know the war posturing..is regarded as a fail safe
that avoids us..thinking of the other issues..

[as with 911..its again the same issue]..cash flow..within..a deliberate bubble..prior to hyper inflation..

a war to re focus expenditure
so that more real control..falls into the hands of the few

as i see it..we cant..buy..say
the real gold..but can..bet if it goes up..or down
its much the same for shares..youdont actually 'get' the share
it was mortgaged by the house of settlements..

who affectingly..ONLY control..the debt..
and lists who rents a possibility..of share inthe morgaged debt owed

there is no more..true real owning
just like the days of old..when the gold certificates..issued..
was hundred fold the real gold..we then saw..money..issued by bankof england..[one third of which was bought by a tally-stick

guy faulks..the lawyer
was trying to destroy..the tally sticks..to play hide thefraud

also is remembered bail-in/fractional reserve lending etc etc
then..most of these so called junk bonds are interest rate sensitive

but even that..dont begin to show how deep..the scam goes

but lets see..what the tide brings in

<<As for the final result..of the Messianic revolution..it will always be the same...the nations will be converted to Judaism and will obey the law,>>

which law?
eternal spirit law..or man made lore?

<<or else they will be destroyed,..and the Jews will be the masters of the world."(G. Batault, Le probleme juif, p.135;..The Secret Powers Behind Revolution,by Vicomte Leon de Poncins, pp.203204)>>

It is obvious..that the war party is desperate to continue their agenda of "Dollarification" of the world;..to force resources rich nations to sell those resources..*only for the dollar as part of a larger plan..to re-impose the Bretton Woods agreement back onto the world,

even as the rest of the world..starts to move away from the failing dollar...How desperate are they?..Probably just as desperate as Roosevelt was..to trick the US into WW2,..or Johnson to trick us into war with Vietnam.

UPDATE:..in light of Israel's firing of missiles..in the eastern Mediterranean earlier today.

Although claimed..to have been an unannounced test,..the fact is that military tests..are always announced ahead of time to allow civilian shipping..and aviation to get out of the test area.

So what it looks like..to me is Israel..fired those missiles hoping to provoke Assad..into firing on the US fleet,..to get the war going.

Fortunately,..Assad didn't fall for it.

However, I don't think Israel..will quit after this failure.

I don't think Netanyahu..is willing to risk a vote..on Congress...So I am expecting Israel..to try again to get the war with Syria going.

Israel may use their Dolphin submarines..to fire a torpedo at the US ships..and blame it on Syria...Israel could,..in the worst case, launch a nuclear-armed cruise missile..and destroy several ships,..then claim Iran..gave a nuclear weapon to Syria.

But those pushing war are desperate.
The usual tactic..of lies to the public..to invent a cause for war is not working any more..in this age of the internet.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-century-of-lies-the-rationales-for-in-foreign-wars-a-century-old-white-house-tradition/5347442

Desperate people
will take desperate chances.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/nextstepsyria.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WolO3w2Fr60
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/aipac-comes-out-for-strike-on-syria-and-mentions-iran-more-often-than-syria.html

improvised chlorine gas bomb used..in Syria,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9950036/Syria-chemical-weapons-finger-pointed-at-jihadists.html?fb

but the US and UK hung their helmets..on the claim that Sarin was used...So when the UN comes back and says they did not detect Sarin, the spin will be that the evidence vanished.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/25/us-syria-crisis-britain-idUSBRE97O0BA20130825
Except that Sarin..does not degrade that quickly,
and would leave chemical traces ..for years afterwards.
http://www.zcommunications.org/the-pot-calling-the-kettle-black-by-zoltan-grossman.html
Be ready

David G,

The problem is, and maybe always has been. that there are never just two 'groups', there is a vast, uncontrollable, multitude of views, each with their own fish to fry, each bitterly hating those 'other b@stards'.

The convenient 'them-us' dichotomy has always been a naive, deficient, and a lazy way to view the world.

Everybody can, some way or other, claim to be a victim of someone else (and probably has been).

I femember a particularly vicious street-brawl between two Aboriginal groups here in Adelaide, back in late 1972, outside the Carrington. The fights were brutal, and the men were not much better. And the idiotic thing was that so many of them, on either side, were related.

That's people for you.

Joe

Civil wars have always been diabolical affairs - see American Civil War.

Internal wars and divisions are usually about "power", whereas an attack from without is more about "survival" - and usually serves to paper over internal divisions in the first instance.