It is rather sad that war provides such fascination for some men.

But 'Boys and their destructive Toys' are part of every generation and they never seem to die out no matter how hard sane people might wish it were so.

One would think that evolution could have intruded and put the warmongers on the evolutionary scrapheap. Yet, despite billions of deaths caused by war, war continues unabated.

Of course, humans, ever inventive, have developed more sophisticated ways of killing. Huge catapults that fired enormous rocks were once all the go but now we have nukes that can be launched from the sea, the air, and from silos and outer space. Some see this as progress. Others see it as a march towards extinction!

If we taught our children that war is evil and futile and is engaged in only by barbarians, we might have a chance to stamp it out! If we condemned all those who make money from war, that might help too!

War will bring us extinction, nothing is surer.

But the Boys and their Toys will never stop their madness!

Hi David,

I look forward to the day when you declare that using poison gas against one's own people is "evil and futile and is engaged in only by barbarians ....."

But not when their YOUR boys, isn't that so ? What a bunch of opportunists.

Jo

Loudmouth challenged David: “I look forward to the day when you declare that using poison gas against one's own people is "evil and futile and is engaged in only by barbarians .....".

In the middle of the 20th century the world bled for the right to declare that to commit an act of aggression against any nation was evil, engaged in only by barbarians, and punishable by death.

There was no rider that it was OK to commit aggresstion on the untested sayso of a government of proven liars. A single rider was added once: that it could be authorised on the unanimous sayso of the main countries that bled to bring the declaration about.

I’d echo that declaration today. Anyone else? Loudmouth?

Not sure what you're on about Jules. I suggest though, that the original intention was to distinguish between an act of unprovoked aggression, and one of retribution, however phrased.

Otherwise, we end up with a position that, no matter what a government does, it's more or less safe from any retribution. Especially, it can do whatever it damn-well likes against its own people and there's nothing any other state or organisation can do about it, so p**s off.

After all, as Putin declared this week, nothing should interfere with state sovereignty. And the Chinese, when it suits, go on about 'non-interference in another country's internal affairs'. That may all be so, and so much for any move towards 'world government'.

So Jules, the next time Assad gasses his own people, your advice would be to what ? Go fishing ?

I'm appalled at the opportunism of such extreme-Right viewpoints.

In my view, as soon as it is generally agreed and demonstrated that Assad not only had the capacity to deliver such devastation on his own people, but actually did so, then send in the Cruise Missiles. By the hundreds: crater every airfield (unless it is clear that innocent people actually sleep on them), every control tower (ditto), major port facility (ditto), and every helicopter -workshop (ditto).

And a few into al-Nusra and other al-Qa'ida training camps for good measure, just to degrade both sides and shorten the war (with the above proviso, of course).

Down with fascism of all sorts ! The people will prevail !

Joe

"The people will prevail," says Joe!

Looking back at the history of the world it seems that the results are: Psychos = a thousand wins. People of the World = 3 or 4, the French Revolution being on of them.

And how we have a warmongering, fascist superpower, which helped to topple Hitler, engaged in an desperate attempt to gain control of the world for its own benefit.

Joe, the people will never prevail while the current world system of 'Might is Right' rules.

might..is rite*
[ritual/creed/cred]

extract/from
http://www.versebyverse.org/doctrine/angel_con.html

# Man's creation..was to resolve..the Angelic Conflict..and answer the appeal..of Satan...Angels lived in the second heaven..with access to the third..for convocations, Job.1.

After..the revolt of Isa.14:12-14,..Satan set up his headquarters on the earth..and made a garbage dump out of it. It ended up being covered with ice and darkness.

In six days,..God (Holy Spirit) restored the earth..to perfect environment.and set up..*the volition test(Ps.8:35; Heb.2:7).

# Human..volition..was tested,
as was..angelic volition.

1.Angels began perfect..(innocent)..with free will.
Mankind also..began perfect..with free will.

2.Some went negative,..creating two categories.
[God..does not coerce/judge/condemnor censure..at any time...We are not/slave/robots.

#The..two tests..of man's volition.

1.Under..perfect/environment,
only one act..was forbidden..to Adam(Gen.2:17).[not eve]

2.The second..is..the need toscape-goat/blame other(Gen.3:15; Rom.5:12; 6:23).

# Man's..positive volition..in God's plan..
to have mankind..judge Satan's appeal..[as peers](Heb.1:4-14; cp. Lk.15:710).

gods..Angels cheer..when..an unbeliever..accepts Christ/grace/mercies...dittosatansd angels cheer..when we [like them]..'fall'

1...Angels observed..the incarnation..of Christ/love(Mt.4:11; 28:2; Lk.2:13;..Act.1:10;..1Tim.3:16).
2...Angels/ob-serve..believers..(1Cor.4:9; 6:3; 11:10; Eph.3:10; 1Tim.5:21; 1Pet.1:12).
3...Fallen angels..de-serve/..non-believers(Job.1:6; 2:13; Eph.6:12).

#..Results..of..the Angelic/Conflict for..dispensation.

1.Phase one,..salvation...
via atonement[at-one-meant]

We are..NOT*..higher..than angels/positionally
[one can ONLY..be judged..by a jury..of peers](Heb.2:7).

2..Phase two,..spiritual maturity.
We..can have..a tactical/victory..in the Angelic/Conflict.[but thus loose right..to judge]..

Any blessing..we..GIVE UNTO other,..in/the*..devil's-world
is..a tactical/victory...thatvoids..our duty..to bjudge

We..cannot receive*..blessing/without..1st/person-capacity..[standing](1Pet.1:7,8).
3...Phase three,eternity.[our gifted..life*..is eternal
that we stay/equal/peer[by the same measure]..We will/NOT..be/higher than..angels(Phil.3:21).

#..adam's initial/fall..gave the/rulership..of this/world..to Satan..(Gen.3;..Jn.12:31;..14:30;..16:11;..2Cor.4:4;..Eph.2:2)..but man's positive volition..can free him..from Satan's/dominion..while living in..Satan's kingdom(Gal.5:1).

# Questions..2b..answered..by the Angelic/Conflict.

1.Why..was man..created equally..in..his/image?
To resolve/the Angelic Conflict...via peers/equals

2.What is history.. An extension of,
and..*conclusion to,..the Angelic/Conflict.

3.Why sin?
Because angels..and man/have..volition.
God..is not/the..author of sin,..freewill..is,..Jam.1:13.

4...Why suffering?
God..is going to..remove this,[without.loosing..its teavhing..].but right/now..this is Satan's kingdom/school..and Satan..cannot handle his/own kingdom.*

The result..is EXTREEM..poverty/untold wealth,
deliberated intended poisoning/disease,..war, death,etc.
God's plan//[at-one-ment]..turns past/suffering..into ETERNAL/blessing.

edited
#God's provision..for us
for..the Angelic Conflict..is spelled out/in Eph.6:11-17.

examined..here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

expanded surmised..here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0