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Wilderian far-right an instructive nuisance : Comments

By Uthman Badar, published 22/2/2013

In the past Wilders has called for things like the banning of the Quran, a tax on the hijab, a ban on Muslim immigration, a ban on building of mosques, and shooting youth of Moroccan descent.

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After the Sydney riots, allegedly because of the disrespectful US film lampooning Mohammed, these 2 articles were published at The Drum:

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4264412.html

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4270342.html

The first is by 2 Muslim women; they claim the Film "is a horribly Orientalist portrayal of Islam, one in which the Prophet Mohammed is portrayed in the most offensive of ways."

In rejecting satire directed at Islam they slur orientals! The rest of the article is a panegyric about the religion of peace with no sense of irony that criticism of Islam is because it is not what it says it is and that people judge it on its actions rather than its hypocritical disclaimers.

The second article does not even bother with such subtleties [sic]. In it Morsi justifies the non-moderate muslim who rejects what he sneeringly describes as the "good citizen" by "pushing back the police picket line to create new forms of citizenry."

The author of this piece is another 'academic' Muslim who rejects the secular society. Badar's other piece at Unleashed does so on the pretext that secularism is irrational while a religious belief like Islam is rational:

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/42672.html

This is telling:

"Devoid of a rational argument for secularism (compromise solutions are never strictly rational), advocates resort to a rather romanticised view of it as a neutral system which allows for a pluralist society where everyone is free to practice their individual beliefs. Yet secularism is built on a specific worldview and is no more neutral than any other ideology. It disallows those parts of other worldviews which contradict with it, just as they would."

This is junk. Badar is saying that because secularism prevents monolithic world views like Islam from stopping other religious or non-religious views secularism is as bad as Islam is made out to be. In short secularism is bad and irrational because it does not allow Islam to eradicate other world views.

Such is the 'intellectual' justification for Islam.
Posted by cohenite, Saturday, 23 February 2013 10:51:08 AM
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cohenite,

I think that the women are referring to Edward Said's definition of "Orientalism" which is a sub category of racism, they're just playing the standard race card.
Posted by mac, Saturday, 23 February 2013 11:52:13 AM
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"Lighting rod for Racists"
Wilders is not a racialist and when the word "Racist" is used it's a polite code word for "Nationalist", what the ruling castes truly fear is any sort of soil Nationalism because it's a direct threat to their economic and political hegemony. Liberal democracy has nowhere to go, it's degenerated into a religious cult of Xenophilia and pathological altruism wherein it's adherents seek to outdo each other in their displays of piety and devotion to the ideal of "diversity".
It's not that Islam is powerful in this country, the fear is that the ruling castes are so weak, corrupt and blinded by their faith that they are incapable of dealing with Muslim and Islamist foot stamping and bullying in a rational way, as soon as the "R word" is used they fall to their knees and plead for forgiveness.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 23 February 2013 4:04:48 PM
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...There appears to be a “void” of rational argument on this subject. Secularism has long ago subdued Christianity and robed it of resolve. It has achieved this with science and an all-out attack by “Immoralists”. Christianity is defeated in moral terms.

...Stage two of the war against morality for the secularists, is shaping-up to be a “doozy”. The war is based on irrational misinformation and outright lies aimed currently at Islam. The lesson for secularists is simply that the war is not yet won; but the two foes are finally in the open!
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 23 February 2013 4:52:52 PM
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"The war is based on irrational misinformation and outright lies aimed currently at Islam."

What are those "outright lies" and "irrational misinformation"? Chapter and verse thanks just so we know you are not a complete ratbag.
Posted by cohenite, Saturday, 23 February 2013 4:59:30 PM
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Dan that's not true,
There around the same number of Christians in the world as there are Muslims, Christianity is one of the fastest growing faiths. If you think "secularism" has overtaken religion in the West you must be talking about so called "secular humanism" ie that branch of Protestant Christianity which eschews God and Jesus.
It's interesting the way opposition to Christianity is never described as "racist" even though it's overwhelmingly a non White religion, most of the Christians of the world live in Africa and South America but we don't hear Wilders and his cronies whining about the millions of African Christians who are also invading Europe. What about the Chinese? There are massive numbers of Chinese emigrating to Europe too and as we all know they have an extremely detrimental effect on society, driving down wages with their price fixing and anti competitive behaviour. Not a peep from Wilders.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 23 February 2013 7:25:18 PM
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