Here is part of a story what is happening in the UK, multiculturalism not likely.

Monday, January 11, at 19:30 GMT:

Is Islamic law coming to London? A series of ‘Muslim Patrol’ videos have gone viral over the past few weeks. They show a group of young men attempting to create ‘Muslim zones’ in the city. Although their actions have been condemned by the East London Mosque, they continue to patrol neighbourhoods and stop people they believe are not conforming to Islamic law.

I'm just so utterly sick & tired of religion. Listen all you superstitious mutts find yourselves something else to be scared of but leave the rest of us out of your nonsensical arguments. I say ban all religion in Public. Superstition has no place in enlightened society. Is that an oxymoron ?

Steven, I appreciate and agree entirely with your posts.

I have been rereading Sam Harris's treatise on Islam called The End of Faith.

Islam is as it was in the 7th century; it is a grave threat to Western secular society; it is astounding that Wilders, whatever else he has done, and his perfectly reasonable summation of Islam has been subject to so much vitriol not only from the witless left but even conservative politicians.

The left are witless on this subject as Nic Cohen pointed out in his book, What's Left; the left agitated for the removal of the Shah and were the first against the wall when the Mullahs took over.

But how to explain the words of such conservative politicians such as Barnett?

This author needs to explain the treatment of women within Islam and explain how he sees how a relentlessly authoritarian theology can adjust to the best social structure, the Western secular society.

I am deeply concerned by the capitulation and appeasement by Western leaders; it is all the more remarkable given a long overdue investigation into the Catholic Churches history of child abuse; Islam has worse atrocities being committed under its auspices yet we are silenced on that subject.

Loudmouth wrote:

>>In 2013, 1300 years after Mo made up his fabulous story, a garbled version of various oral desert traditions, and half-understood bits of the Old and New Testaments, we happen to be seriously discussing this load of garbage, as if it deserved it.>>

Y'know I used to think that Mo, unlike, say, Moses, definitely existed.

Turns out the evidence for his existence is weak. See for example:

The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History: Karl-Heinz Ohlig (Editor), Gerd-R Puin (Editor)

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Origins-Islam-Research-History/dp/1591026342

So not only are "we seriously discussing this load of garbage" but its supposed author probably never existed. The koran and the ahadith seem to be a concoction put together over a period of about 200 years.

Islam shows every sign of being a manufactured religion in the same sense as Scientology. It was probably crafted to suit the exigencies of empire.

individual wrote:

>>Listen all you superstitious mutts find yourselves something else to be scared of>>

Islam as a religion scares me not at all.

As an ideology it frightens the you-know-what out of me. It frightens me in the sense that I would have been frightened by Nazism had I been around in the 1930s.

Anyone who is not concerned about Islam does not understand the problem.

This is an ideology dedicated to genocide.

You all seriously need to look at the web site of Hizbut Tahrir

Part of what they say

http://www.hizb-australia.org/hizb-ut-tahrir/about-us

The work of Hizb ut-Tahrir is to carry the Islamic da'wah in order to change the situation of the corrupt society so that it is transformed into an Islamic society. It aims to do this by firstly changing the society's existing thoughts to Islamic thoughts so that such thoughts become the public opinion among the people, who are then driven to implement and act upon them. Secondly the Party works to change the emotions in the society until they become Islamic emotions that accept only that which pleases Allah (swt) and rebel against and detest anything which angers Allah (swt).

Finally, the Party works to change the relationships in the society until they become Islamic relationships which proceed in accordance with the laws and solutions of Islam. These actions which the Party performs are political actions, since they relate to the affairs of the people in accordance with the Shari'ah rules and solutions, and politics in Islam is looking after the affairs of the people, either in opinion or in execution or both, according to the laws and solutions of Islam.

This is a good insight into it
http://www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/indian-ocean/851-hizb-ut-tahrir-in-australia-urgent-need-for-international-engagement-and-counter-narrative.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir

More from this vile group. Uthman Badar has the gall to criticise Geert Wilders

Sydney demo: Uprising in the Muslim world 2011 [Jan 31 2011]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhrWpOkqUHE

15:50 Br. Wassim Doureihi
@32.11 To those who are before me today, to the Muslims in the West, to the Muslims in this country, I say to you that indeed are a part of this great ummah, let it be clear that you are not Australian, you are not British, you are not American, you are Muslim. Those who would divide you from the body of this ummah, let it be known that our allegiance is to Islam and Islam alone. That our support is to Muslims & to Muslims alone

Let it be known that you are part of this great ummah & don’t believe anyone that will suggest otherwise
We are not an ummah which will be content at the crumbs which are thrown at us. We are not an ummah which will be content at sharing the power. We are not an ummah which will be content to remain in a position of subjugation. We are not an ummah which will be confined to remain in artificial borders. We are not an ummah which will be content with sharing the power. We are not an ummah which will be content to accept the most vile rulers of mankind. We are the ummah of Mohamed blah blah