Sorry Joe,

...I failed to mention John Howard with George bush!

...And why don't you choose for me Joe, Fruit Loop or not? When you post the result I'll then know what pathetic category to pigeonhole you into.

...My; this name calling is getting exciting! And by the way, my "Whistle-Blower" Magazine has explored the theory that Barack Obama is a closet Muslim. Dear oh dear things are getting bad in the West...Suck eggs!

Joe:

Peradventure you failed to read this in my post above, here it is again! Just for you!

#..And before the little band on OLO become too hysterical,(Too late), isn't that which is being described in posts as obnoxious and anti-social of Muslims, applicable also to the evangelic spread of Christianity through history? I believe what we witness as the violent march of Islam is of our own making, fueled by a vivid imagination and a paranoia born of isolationism so representative of the West; we are witness to an Islamic “Evangelism” promoted by Western violence against Muslims (coincidentally), who happen to hold the oil wells in their sovereign territories...#

Hi Dan,

So ...... it's fruit-loop then ?

Are you suggesting that the West is responsible for everything that Islamists do ? The 1800 terrorist attacks/bombings of markets and schools etc., since 2001 ? That's it's all the fault of the West ?

At least have enough respect for the intelligence, evil as it may be, of the Islamists, gutless as they may be, to conclude that they can initiate their own horrible bombings without some CIA operative leaning over their shoulders, or that they can plot and plan to blow up women and children in market-places and schools without some directive, or even provocation, from the west.

They are not puppets, and neither can they use the p1ss-weak ecuse that whatever they do, however horrible, it's all because of the West, or Jews, or bankers, or whatever out-group they want to focus on, that made them do it. They make their own disgusting decisions.

Neither they nor you can blame anybody else for those decisions.

But if you wish to be one of their useful idiots, go for it.

The arrogance of the pseudo-left, their belief that they can somehow, eventually, take control of events, to use and dictate to a bunch of thugs, is staggering in its naivety and in its opportunism.

They will use you and spit you out when you have served their purpose. So who then is puppet, who is puppet-master ?

Cheers,

Joe

Joe,

…I have stated pretty accurately my opinions and the reasoning behind them, why the Wests confrontation with the Islamist is so vindictive. The West with its constant and brutal wars in and against Islamic states, for the sole purpose of controlling oil wells is legendary.

…We will pay for this folly for many years. But I think what is worse is the plague of “immoralism” gifted to them as a tribute and a consequence to the wars presented now as the new way of Democracy.

...The evidence is before us of serious instability in the Muslim world and rise of Islamic fundamentalism as a response, not too dissimilar to the Christian version, (A rebellion against Liberalism), but much more violent. The fight is for the Morality of Islam, the fundamentals of Islam are under severe threat from the West. The new war rages!

… Democracy with its flag of Liberal /Secularism is a curse and a failure to all but corporate giants. It is crushing the life from all affected by its rule! As I said above, I believe this war will be a “doozy” and its coming to a neighborhood near you!

...Insulting language is unbecoming Joe, particularly for you!

Valley Guy,
As I said in my first post, Wilders isn't guilty of perpetuating any gross factual errors in regard to Islam but his motivation for doing so is questionable.
He's right when he says Islam is not a religion any more than German National Socialism was a religion, to an atheist it should be obvious that the two are comparable systems.
The problem there is that he's exploiting popular misconceptions about the 1933-45 era, namely that the horrible carnage of world war two was necessary because Hitler wanted to "take over the world" and that our grandfathers had a moral duty to save the Jews.
This is dangerous, we on the Radical right are seemingly the only ones who express the fear of another catastrophic European war based on these fallacies, when Wilders likens Islam to Nazism he's asking us to think of it in exactly the same way, as Bakunin said, "Fascism is not to be debated it is to be smashed!".
There are 44 million Muslims in Europe, we "Racists" fear, more than anything another scenario like the Balkan Wars of the 1990's, where White men are driven to fighting each other over the interests of Muslims and we greatly fear that that is exactly where Wilders and his friends would lead Europe.
How could 44 million people be dislodged from Europe without recourse to warfare, that is to say warfare between Europeans?

"The evidence is before us of serious instability in the Muslim world and rise of Islamic fundamentalism as a response"

Islam is today as it was 1300 years ago; noone and nothing made Islam except itself; you're a serious DH.