Hi Steven,

Yes, and if there are any women amongst those useful idiots (there never seems to be, to give them credit), they will be dead-quiet about the Islamic right-to-violence against subject women, daughters, wifes, mothers. And about the rape requirements of four male witnesses. And the inheritance differential, in which women inherit a fourth as much as their brothers.

And the divorce rights of men, but not women. And the 72 virgins, ever-renewable, for male martyrs, but only one man, for female martyrs (true: check it out on Islam.online).

As an atheist, I'm not impressed much by any religion, although in my studies of Aboriginal History, I've been amazed at the dedication of many missionaries. I guess, since they were Black and not Muslim, Islamists would have had no trouble enslaving Aboriginal people or exterminating them.

Islamists have never had much trouble with slavery, as long the slaves weren't Muslim: in oh-so-highly-civilized Spain, under the Moors, much of the agricultural work was done by slaves, around fifty thousand. Perhaps Islamist ideology is, after all, pre-feudal, not just pre-capitalist

Utopias are so often just for the in-crowd. Maybe that's what attracts some of the idiotic doctrinaire Left: a shared view on Utopias, a shared willingness to exterminate out-groups, and an intolerance of anybody who questions their ideologies.

So it's a bit ironic to hear of some moron like Anthony Mundine embracing Islam.

"Criticise all those who criticise those who insult Islam." But don't behead them or Gulag them: leave that to the totalitarians.

Cheers,

Joe

Loudmouth

On Arab TV they are showing movies of the Holocaust and saying:

"Next time we Muslims will be killing the Jews,"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT9bZ_k03D0

Did Wilders say he wanted to shoot Moroccans in the knees? Yes and No.

It is Dutch police policy that when rioters are totally out of control then, as a last resort, the police may shoot those rioters in the knee to protect themselves and innocent bystanders. After a soccer riot by Moroccans Wilders simply opined that the police need to maintain order even if it means implementing the knee shooting policy. The use of this by the author is utter (and presumably deliberate) misrepresentation.

Equally wilders saying that the Koran should be banned is ambiguous. He simply draws a parallel between it and Mein Kampf and then says, since Hitler's book is banned, so should Mo's. Again the author sets out to misrepresent.

As to him being far-right...well hardly.

There is a lot of misrepresentation of the views of people like Wilders with the quite apparent aim of distorting views so as to suppress them.

If Wilders is wrong, explain this conference
March 15-17th. Let’s see the loony left demonstrating against this.
”Peace Conference and Exhibition”

Take the main organiser himself. In a lecture recorded last December in Melbourne, Waseem Razvi, who supports Sharia law in Australia, said Islam allowed violence in defence of the faith:

You don’t have to try to convince by being compromising on Islam … you don’t have to say that Islam is all about peace, “no we don’t fight, we are not violent.” You know, the Prophet fought 30 wars … yes, we are not non-violent, we are violent but when there is a need for it. We are battles people. We are not like Buddhists wearing an orange dress and always saying we want peace, and you never get your own country. No, we fight for our country. We have in Islam Jihad, yes, but we will never do terrorism. Yes Jihad is very Islamic, so you don’t have to retreat from that.

Al-Azhar Sheikh Abdur-Rahman Al-Sudais, imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, is the highest-ranking cleric in the Sunni Muslim world. He has prayed to God to “terminate” the Jews and is a virulent anti-Semite to judge from his sermons:

[Jews are] the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs…
Read history and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others’] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers... the scum of the human race ‘whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs...’ These are the Jews, an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption...

Look at Palestinian Media Watch
https://www.youtube.com/user/palwatch

Middle East Media Research Institute
https://www.youtube.com/user/MEMRITVVideos

Another invited speaker is Sheikh Assim Al-Hakeem, who says the punishment for gays is death:

In a video on YouTube in which he is asked whether being gay is wrong, Al-Hakeem says homosexuality is ‘unnatural’.
‘If you refer to the Old Testament, you will find that homosexuality is forbidden and the punishment for that is stoning to death. In Islam, the same thing applies.

He added: ‘Homosexuality is an abnormality which should be treated and should not be accepted as a normal thing.’

In answer to a question on his website, Al-Hakeem also compares gay people to ‘animals that seek only their sexual satisfaction through their weird ways’.

Al-Hakeem also calls for the death of those who leave Islam:

What is the penalty on a person who change his religion from islam to some other religion ?
This is apostasy and it is punishable by death in an Islamic society.
Sheikh Yee, another invitee, claims Jews celebrated the September 11 attacks, which weren’t the work of Muslims, and Jews are the real extremists:

The most extreme nation in this world is the Jews. So if they use ‘extremists,’ it doesn’t apply to Muslims. It applies to the Jews. They are the extremists of the world. That’s why they kill Palestinians every day.... [Jews] go to Hell.

Another invited speaker is Melbourne’s Sheikh Abu Ayman (aka Sheikh Omran), who long defended Osama bin Laden:
I dispute any evil action linked to bin Laden.
Later he was a little more equivocal - but only a little:
He is a good man in some ways, and not in other ways.

There is much more
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/if_wilders_is_wrong_explain_this_conference/

SF,

You may not fully comprehend that Islam, as a religion of peace, spread its religion of peace, first out of one corner of Arabia, to Syria and Mesopotamia, always giving the invaded populations the option of peaceful conversion, among a fairly small range of options.

Then they spread their message of peace, with its peaceful option and not-peaceful option, across north Africa, into Spain and southern France, and for centuries offered the southern coasts of Europe the same attractive options. Just coincidentally, Chinghiz Khan adopted Islam, the religion of peace, and spread its twin message across Asia, into Eastern Europe, and down into southern Asia, and eventually to India, even to Vietnam.

Yes, much of the entire world has already experienced the religion of peace, one way or another.

And Islam as a religion of equality, i.e. male equality, i.e. Muslim male equality - that's another story.

In 2013, 1300 years after Mo made up his fabulous story, a garbled version of various oral desert traditions, and half-understood bits of the Old and New Testaments, we happen to be seriously discussing this load of garbage, as if it deserved it.

Question: why ?!

Some atheists say: "Criticise all those who criticise those who criticise all religions."

Islamists say: "Behead all those who criticise Islam."

A barbaric ideology in a modern world. Amazing.

Joe