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Wilderian far-right an instructive nuisance : Comments

By Uthman Badar, published 22/2/2013

In the past Wilders has called for things like the banning of the Quran, a tax on the hijab, a ban on Muslim immigration, a ban on building of mosques, and shooting youth of Moroccan descent.

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This post is the biggest load of nonsense that I have ever seen published here at OLO it does absolutely nothing to address the issues about Islam that are at the core of Geert Wilders' criticisms of that political ideology.

The author instead rambles on with an extended ad hominem argument against all western liberal cultures rather than defending or justifying the precise cultural practices that are so justifiably criticised by Wilders.
From his Melbourne speech:
"Because Muhammad lied and cheated in order to advance Islam, some followers feel entitled to do the same. Islam even has a word for this kind of lying. It is called taqqiya.
Because Muhammad spread Islam through acts of terror, some of his followers do the same.

Because Muhammad established an Islamic state, some of his followers see it as their duty to do the same.

Because Muhammad had his critics and the critics of his Islamic state murdered, some of his followers regard it as their duty to kill everyone who speaks his mind about Muhammad and Islam.

It is no coincidence that all the Islamic states in the world demand that freedom of speech be curtailed and that criticism of Islam and its prophet be forbidden. And yet, it is our duty to speak out and tell the truth.

Anyone who voices criticism of Islam and Muhammad is in grave personal danger. And whoever attempts to escape from the influence of Islam and Muhammad risk the death penalty. We cannot continue to accept this state of affairs. A public debate about the true nature and character of Muhammad is badly needed how uncomfortable it might be to some people."
Posted by Iain, Friday, 22 February 2013 6:54:25 AM
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Iain,
To render him comprehensible to Europeans Muhammad needs to be placed in the same context as Julius Caesar, Napoleon Bonaparte or Adolf Hitler, he's a messianic figure, not a deity, a criminal, a pedophile or anything else.
People like Wilders are "difficult", I compare him to someone like David Irving, the information they provide is accurate but as Professor Raul Hilberg said of Irving, his research is impeccable but his motivations are questionable.
I've read enough of Irving's work to conclude that he's enthralled by National Socialist Germany and it's charismatic leaders and I've read enough of Wilders to ascertain that he's equally captivated by the trials of the Jewish people and of the Zionist project.
What I do understand about both men is that they are basically harmless individuals, they're both essentially romantics in the traditional sense.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 22 February 2013 9:25:23 AM
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The far right have always needed a scapegoat to blame for their own shortcomings?
The Nazis blamed and persecuted the Jews, the poverty conscious tea party blame socialism and persecute the poor; by denying them natural justice; and the new far right, now target Islam.
Islam has made it all to easy for them, by fundamental versions of Islam, treating Christian minorities very poorly or actively persecuting them; and or, spreading their influence through fear based, nefarious strategies.
And their record on the treatment of women, in too many countries, leaves lots to be desired!
And that is putting it mildly!
The worst examples being child brides, forced marriage, acid attacks, gang rape, ritual beheading, stoning, public beatings, and mandatory execution, for alleged rather than proven adultly.
Islamic devotees, claim that Mohamed, through his living example, preferred peaceful coexistence, with all other book based faith.
It is high time we saw examples of that, in much or the strife riddled Middle east, were Christian minorities are the virtual scapegoats!
And Islam is not served by rigid recalcitrant fundamental Islamic activists, virtually declaring war on everything western, with bomb attacks on innocent civilians etc, in their host countries.
And the crime rate in Islamic ghettoes, is both shameful and unjustified!
The world does not owe anyone a living!
And the west can hardly be blamed for the outcomes, created by the whim and caprice of a plethora of dictatorial strongmen/madmen!
Moreover, it is hardly Europe's fault that isolationist Islam won't fit in.
Little wonder some want them out!
And yes, that is tarring all of Islam with the same brush!
And yes, that is hardly fair or reasonable!
Even so, if the likes of Wilders want ammunition to fire at Islam, so called Islam, is providing plenty of it!
It is up to Islam to clean out the cranks in their ranks, rather than emulate the Christian churches, who, to this very day, actively protect paedophiles; and or, protect their so called patch, with, I believe, a cult like cannot err doctrine, rather than evidence based truth!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 22 February 2013 9:40:04 AM
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This author has so little comprehension of his subject that he sets out all of Wilder’s great ideas as if they were a criticism of Wilders, and not the behaviour of the segment of the community which caused such ideas to even be broached.

At least Wilders is attempting to do something about a serious problem.

Does our little mate, Badar, fail to understand the situation, at all, or is he simply incapable of sensibly addressing it?
Posted by Leo Lane, Friday, 22 February 2013 9:40:37 AM
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Rhrosty, So what? How many wars have the Nazis started in the last 70 years? How many countries have Nazis invaded since 1945 and how many people have they killed?
I'm an expert on the "far right" I actually write and talk to these people on a daily basis as I do with people on the "far Left". Scapegoating is a simplistic and misleading term, it implies that the a person or group has been unjustly accused, Modern European Nationalists don't "scapegoat", they hold people to account for their actions.
People like you are the only ones who are confused by the issue of third world immigration to majority European societies, the "Far Left" and "Far Right" are both on their own consistent message.
The Far Left want the Genocide of Europeans, the Far Right seek to prevent it, it's a black and white issue, there are no grey areas or muddied waters.
Geert Wilders isn't an indigenous European, he's part Javanese and his agenda is openly philo Semitic and pro Zionist, his activism only supports Israel and the remnants of European Jewry. Wilders' second wife is Jewish and like John "Israel is part of my very being" Howard he's been a lifelong admirer of Jews, Judaism and Israel.
So you're reflexively going to screech that I'm scapegoating Jews , "Just like Hitler", well think again, Wilder's isn't Jewish and nobody made him into an obsessive Judeophile and booster for Zionism, "the Chosen" don't actively encourage these nitwits but they don't send them packing either, hence the term "useful idiot" which the authentic, Nationalist right apply to Wilders, Howard, Cameron, Le Pen, Griffin and all.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 22 February 2013 10:29:26 AM
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the fact that he is in danger from Muslims everywhere proves his point. The Christian hating secular high priests and their followers don't need bodyguards despite their bile, hatred and lies.
Posted by runner, Friday, 22 February 2013 10:41:26 AM
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