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Why I won't be taking up the Man Prayer or supporting 1 Billion Rising this Valentine's Day : Comments
By Greg Andresen, published 15/2/2013The Man Prayer takes the worst stereotypes of men and masculinity and reinforces them.
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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 17 February 2013 8:22:43 AM
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Suse,
Haven't you realised that females are aggressive also? but more in an under-handed way - as they are naturally more devious and passive aggressive than males. You for one, are very aggro. Females are pretty good manipulators. How can you deny male biology - you do know they have more testosterone than females, don't you? You're a nurse, aren't you? You can't deny mother nature. And that there are a lot of b.tches out there. They seem to becoming more prolific of late. Posted by Constance, Sunday, 17 February 2013 3:25:04 PM
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I agree with you, Jay. I came across Jack Donovan recently, and he is a gay man. He thinks gay and heterosexual men should be doing more bonding with each other. He is delluded with the whole superfical gay scene where all they talk about is going to the gym and going to the latest trendy spots to be seen. John Saffron, the comedian loves what Donovan has written in his books, Androphilia and The Way of Men.
Posted by Constance, Sunday, 17 February 2013 3:34:06 PM
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Constance,
Suze...You for one, are very agro..." That, would have to be a crowning example of the pot calling the kettle black. What do you reckon, Constance? You seem to have a particular dislike for "females who are passive aggressive". I see that you like to demonstrate your own aggression consistently and in an upfront fashion. As in: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5559&page=0#152302 and http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5559&page=0#152125 and http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5559&page=0#152300 and http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=14683&page=0#253435 To name but a few. (I await your next outburst) Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 17 February 2013 4:01:41 PM
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Because i am out of work I am presently subject to the full spectrum of domestic violence, from name calling, humiliation, and even being threatened with a pair of scissors last week but I'll deal with that the best I can.
What gets me though in this discussion is the readiness of 'men' to accept responsibility for the behaviour of some other people who happen to be male. Most car thefts are probably done by males by I don't feel any personal responsibility because I don't steal cars. For some reason, and it has been done numerous times in this discussion, 'men' are being told they share responsibility and should do something about domestic violence. A person can only be responsible for their own behaviour so to put blame on males for the behaviour of other totally unrelated males is pure sexism. Posted by citizen, Sunday, 17 February 2013 4:04:07 PM
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Some posters are in agreeance with the author's lament of stereotyping men and then do exactly that in regard to women. I don't think this campaign is stereotyping men even if one puts aside for a moment whether or not such a campaign is likely to achieve it's aims.
That aside, issues of violence do need to be approached holistically. It is becoming a growing problem if one believes the statistics. While it appears that women are becoming more violent, the facts are that men are still more likely to perpetrate violence. I don't know why this fact is taken as some kind of insult against men or is labelled as stereotyping. This is not stereotyping as most reasonable people (and I believe most people are) do not lump all men in the same basket. The majority of men are responsible, law-abiding and non-violent. The best solutions would include providing good supports for men and also to involve men in the 'space' (maybe this is what 'rising' is trying to do) rather than exclude men. Based on some of the responses so far, inclusion may be a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of scenario. Of course there are violent women. I imagine for men that have been affected by DV at the hands of their spouses must get irked if they see DV always put in the context of men abusing women. I think there is a good case for including (in Ads and the like) a scenario where a wife is beating on her husband while he has his hands over his face to avoid the blows and in avoiding causing harm to her. Why is there more violence? I certainly don't know the answers but the solution has to be a community effort. There are many countries like India where rape is not seen as a big deal,this is something that should not be tolerated. But just to throw up ones hands and say I won't be supporting this or that campaign is a wasted opportunity for men as well as women. Posted by pelican, Sunday, 17 February 2013 5:01:40 PM
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Mens rights advocates (hereafter MRA'S) are advocating parity with feminism and equal treatment of men and women under the law, they reject real masculinity just as feminism rejects authentic femininity.
What the MRA's like Warren Farrell, Bob Geldof and Dean Esmay actually want is equal distribution of the sexes in the state's gender bureaucracy and they promote pretty much the same fettered form of ideological masculinity as that demanded by the Feminists.
MRA's are also lukewarm on the subject of traditionalism as well, the Christian version of masculinity wherein males are disposable, the chivalric ideal of self sacrifice which is so ruthlessly exploited by the state and in particular by Feminists.
MRA's are men who don't want to have to prove their masculinity to other males, they still want to deny authentic masculinity and repudiate what Jack Donovan calls the Tactical Virtues of masculinity, Strength, Courage, Mastery and Honour in exchange for representation in the gender industry.
Men and Women are built to compliment each other, not to be equal, we're Yin and Yang, Indra and Indrani, Jupiter and Juno, different powers, different virtues.
Parity between Feminists and MRA's will only double the number of people in the bureaucracy which is absolutely against the best interests of families since it's the materialist gender "sciences" which are corroding our society, not the natural inclinations and instinctive behaviour of men and women.