Sam Said, you sound very judgemental.
I disrespect men who feel the need to tell women what they can or can't do with their own bodies.

Abortion is legal.
If you or yours don't want to have one, that's up to you, but it isn't your business what any other woman wishes.

Suseonline...sorry but I usually dont engage in debate with women over issues like these...as reason and logic fails...and its more about continuation of current powers and benefits...

but I will say that I believe there will come a time when the unborn baby will be given the highest social legal and moral protection humanity can endow...and this period will be seen as the worst of humanity exerting itself...

regards

sam

"Yes, women (and men) are violently raped and beaten far too often - a single victim is one too many - but the way to reduce this violence is to fight against ALL violence, wholly and inclusively, against all people, male or female, white or black, Muslim or Christian or atheist, old or young, straight or gay, rich or poor. And to do so in a way that doesn't attack or stereotype any other group. And to not promote misinformation in the process".

Agree

"If we want men and boys to be the best they can be, we don't need 'man prayers', we need services and practical support for males on the ground where it matters".

Agree

Not achieveable under a Gillard/Greens administration.

@ Suseonline

"The 'man prayer' initiative may well be a load of rubbish, but there is no denying the fact that men are responsible for the bulk of the violence in our society."

On what evidence or facts are you basing this entirely deniable claim?

Here are 286 scholarly investigations that show that women are just as violent, if not more, than men: www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Threee things emerge from this body of research:

1. While women report more severe injuries in domestic violence situations, women initiate violence and more often than men.

2. Women report violence far more often than men (a visit to the family courts is sufficient to verify this), which skews statistics and public perceptions about female-to-male gender violence.

3. A significant portion of male-to-female violence is intended to STOP violence or abuse initiated by the woman. It's a well-known fact in DV circles that domestic abuse is almost never one-sided.

Your comment also infers that the rights of victims of violence are dependent on the sex of the attacker, which is wrong. Violence against one class of people isn't justified just because that class are perceived to be more violent than another. Even if those perceptions are true, bigotry has no place in the DV discourse.

It ultimately doesn't matter who's the more violent, even if the research shows that women are such. All victims of violence suffer terribly, so preventing and alleviating the suffering of ALL victims are what these programs should be about. That we're still describing it as a gender issue in public discourse shows that the discussion is still owned and controlled by gender ideologues with a political agenda.

Thankfully, there are some who blow away the obfuscation and get to the truth. This report from The Independent back in 1995 talks about manipulation of the very statistics on which these anti-DV programs are based: www.mensrights.com.au/domestic-family-violence/all-men-are-bastards-1995/. Take an hour or two to follow the reference trail - the revelations will astonish you. We've somehow allowed the feminist brownskirts in the labour government to jackboot gender apartheid into this country right under our noses.

Very good. There is a chance that Suseonlie will consider those facts with an open mind.

After all, Suseonline did scold "overly sensitive men" for being unaware that "most women have male relatives they love and would like to see the violence in everyone's lives banished".

So Suseonline should relish the chance to find information that the men she comes into contact with are not the foul, violent, sex-obsessed beasts who need to be constantly reminded by women to mind their tongues and keep their paws to themselves. Either that or cops and State control.

Then again, Suseonline is the self-styled avenging angel of women everywhere who have been done wrong by men. The bones of countless other PEOPLE, some men, who have tried to convince her otherwise lie bleaching in the sun. A prayer for those simple well-meaning folks, please.

I don't usually post to correct my typos or grammatical errors, but it is necessary in this case where in the first sentence of my post above I missed the letter "n" in Suseonline. Sorry.