@Stevenlmeyer. "Only conspiracy theorists like James O'Neill.........". You are sounding like a stuck record. It no doubt gives you some kind of vicarious thrill to trot out this tired substitute for rational debate but to most of us it is simply mindless. I have yet to advance a single conspiracy theory on this site that is not founded on solid evidence. If you can't come up with something better a periods of silence from you would be welcome.

Imajulianutter:

“Why do you vilify members of just one group who act upon their belief?”

I do not vilify one group. I am stating the obvious. Nowadays Christians and Jews do not generally employ tactics such as suicide bombings to kill and maim as many infidel civilians as possible. This is the exclusive domain of Muslim extremists.

“The Christian choice usually harms themselves. The Hebrew choice initially harms others and will usually lead to their victims enacting similar vengeance”

Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about. Who are those Christians that usually harm themselves and why would they do so? What Hebrews/Jews harm others and why? Is this in order to become martyrs? Please be a little more specific.

“The Israeli Constitution specifies Israel's Laws will be based on it's Judean Heritage. “

This is the second or third time you’ve referred to the Israeli Constitution with respect to apartheid. I would dearly love to see those racist, apartheid references in the Israeli Constitution, or any other reference for that matter. Your claim only shows how hollow your argument is, being nothing more than parroting extreme-left slogans without bothering to check their accuracy. As far as I am aware Israel has no formal constitution, but maybe you know something that I don’t. Please state the link to where I can read about this awful document and its apartheid references.

Let’s assume for a moment that you manage to find the lost Israeli Constitution, and it is indeed based on the Judean Heritage. So? Let me share a little secret with you: the laws in most Western societies are based on the Judeo-Christian Heritage as well. And, wait for it, the laws in Muslim countries are based on Muslim Heritage. So where does this leave us? There are two possibilities: 1) everyone is exercising a form of apartheid, or 2) you do not understand the meaning of the term Apartheid.

not sure if its funny or sad
but what you said about extreemists not gaining footing..outside israel..is egsactly the oppisite of whats going on within israel.

its time for an israel spring..
but this seems unlikely..or so likely the extreemists are having their last shot.[one can hope]

anyhow we notice the embedding of western media
as much as we note the priority to shut down opposing media..enbedded in the war zone..but lest we forget the exumation of arrafat..poisend by an unexplained elevated amount of unsupported polonium-210*..

as reported
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/whatkilledarafat/2012/07/20127383653774794.html

THE TIMMING of this latest war..cleverly aborts the intended exumation to further confirm..the assaniation by sources unknown*..but presumable as is the timming of this

anyhow..look at the timming
http://www.euronews.com/2012/11/13/was-arafat-poisoned-his-grave-is-sealed-off-ahead-of-exhumation/

lest we forget that israel has imprisond many thousands
and will not stop at blackmail to murder..so who dun it will be a patcy..and likely was the first killed in this latest extention of israel suicide.

avw seems to miss completly obama's mass murder via drones.
quote]avw..""Nowadays Christians and Jews do not generally employ tactics such as suicide bombings to kill and maim as many infidel civilians as possible."
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but lest we forget to note..if mossad got total control over your family..or got your brother/father in jail..with threats most will strap on the belt..for love of other..

or we fiond that retards..are used as well
but mostly its fear..killing the self is stupid..but israel seems intent on it...we forget the evil is really capaple of doing any vile it wants.

hence todays reading to sacrifice our fears for peace
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3337&start=45

no one has clean hands..this nudge helped encourage the current outrage
http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/2012/11/britain-training-rebels-to-assassinate.html

lest we forget betrayus
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012/11/12/geopolitics-with-ryan-dawson-episode-1-the-embarrassing-petraeus-scandal-with-jason-ditz/

recall sarahs father?
http://www.businessinsider.com/paula-broadwell-father-paul-krantz-2012-11

here is where the zionist thing *first bore its ill fruits
http://undergrounddocumentaries.com/holodomor-the-ukrainian-holocaust-of-1933/

war is hell..god must feel so proud..not!
re those kiling the lives..only he can make to live.

its a shame you ignore the words of the true messiah
love god by loving service [charity]..to other..

STOP THE FEAR*

Why are you blokes so slow. You took my comment as serious

You didn't get the irony.

You'll never ever agree with me that Israel cannot now claim to be surrounded by a 'tyrannical, misogynist and Jihadist' Arab world.

You simply criticised Morsi's efforts and refused to see he didn't criticise anyone. You also criticised the leader of the Western world for supporting peace efforts. As you blokes always do. Why is that. Mention peace and you blokes go into a lather of criticism.

Of course you understand the longterm effect if Morsi is successful.

Israel will be force to resolve all the outstanding territorial and refugees issues.

And Morsi, with the support of the Western Nations, will be central to that ... not the Americans. H

The situation is fundamentally changed and I don't think Israel has realised how. You blokes certainly haven't and I expect you to go about trying to undermine the peace process, as you always do, by trying to undermine the prestige Morsi has won. It's all Israel and you will be able to do.

Will Israel rise to the new challenges or remain mired in vengence?

Morsi behaves like a true peace maker concentrating on resolution not blame. He didn't look for ulterior motives nor exhibited any.

He's acting like a Westerner, something you blokes struggle to comprehend.

Let me restate. We westerners base our culture in forgiveness.

Israel bases it's culture in it's religion which promotes vengence.

You blokes need to call for a reformation of the Jewish religion if you really want Israel to act as Western Liberal Democracies and be regarded as Western.

@avw & iamajulianutter. It is technically correct that Israel has no constitution in the sense of a single written document labelled as such. However, Israel does have a series of what are termed Basic Laws. In 1998 the Isreali Supreme Court ruled that the Basic Laws should be considered as the state's constitution and that is the present position.

The Basic Laws do say that all Israeli citizens are equal, regardless of whether they are Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze or whatever. There is of course a distinction between de jure equality and de facto equality. Just ask a black person in the US.

In Israel's case there is discrimination in favor of the Jewish religion, both in the law and in policy; eg. The right of Jewish people to enter Israel and live there.

At present the Arab population of Israel is about 20pc of the total. There are policies both proposed and in place to try and limit the growth of that religious group, with some, such as deputy pm Lieberman openly advocating discriminatory policies and suggesting, inter Alia, a land swap to move Arab Israelis out of Israel proper to Palestinian enclaves.

There is good evidence that Israel is following a policy of Bantustans, and those familiar with apartheid era South Africa will understand the implications of that.