imajulianutter

I suspect you are a muslim, which is fine. But don't let your religious affiliation blind your judgement, and your sense of reality. It does not help your cause by distorting the reality. It only invites ridicule and contempt.

History does not begin last Saturday, and people know their history.

The muslim nations around Israel hate Jews for some reasons, and they tried to stop the establishment of the Israeli state. And the Jews were ruthless in dealing with their neighbours, and wars broke out. Israel defeated the muslim nations time and time again, and some of them accepted their defeat and made peace with Israel, but not the Palestinians.

Had the Palestinians accepted their defeat, they would have been integrated into different countries, or, even into Israel. If you lost a war, the noble thing to do is eating the humble pie and let your people rest, and you may get another chance in the future, or develop your nation in a different way, like Germany and Japan.

For some reasons, the Palestinians refuse to let history be history, and they want unravel the time and return to the time and the land they once lived on before the war. Meanwhile, other nations moved on, some of them become very successful and prosperous, like Germany and Japan.

Some 60 years went by, the Palestinians made no progress at all. Generations after generations devoted all their lives to the futile dream of defeating Israel

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If I were a Palestinian, I would just get out of there live my life in a better way. I would learn from my enemy and try to be better than them. You just google "Noble laureates Jewish", you will see the contribution made by the Jews over the years in science and the generation of knowledge. Why not learn from them?

It is very sad to see Palestinian people suffer for so long. However, no one on earth but the Palestinians themselves could change their own fate. It requires courage and honesty to face the reality, to criticise your own culture; it requires generosity to forgive your enemy; it requires wisdom and intelligence to solve problems without violence; it requires imagination to find a way out.

If you have none of these qualities but hatred, you are at a dead end lane way. You are breeding generation after generation of pigheaded and ignorant people who live in misery and die in misery.

Why? You must ask yourself.

Your post displays a highly developed symptom of delusion. I don't believe you are a liar, as you sound sincere.

hey Graham,

where are you?

AVW, Stevenmeyer,

The Israelis usually claimed they're surrounded by a hostile Arab world. Jonathon Ariel recently repeated the usual vilification and generalisations, 'the tyrannical, misogynist and Jihadist forces which rail against us'

You've missed or completely misread the mis-named 'Arab Spring'

You need to recognise the old socialist dictatorships have been or are being replaced and that there is no longer an 'Arab World'. They're facts ... you seem in denial about it.

Ahhh but why doesn't that surprise me. You wouldn't know how a democracy works even if you had it gently pointed out to you how one is supposed to work. After all you do seem to think Israel is a democracy.

Here is how we westerners and so far the Iraqis, Egyptians, Palestinians and Lebanonese have recently elected governments and how those governments are choosing to govern their great diversities.

1. It is not just about ruling for the majority by the majority.
2. It is about the elected representatives governing with consideration to all citizens, for the good of all citizens.

peng,

how do you see how my beliefs impact in the forming of my opinions? How are they causing delusions?

How does being a muslim blind one's judgement and cause an inability to see reality?

If I was a muslim I would be quite rightly offended by your generalisation, vilification and hate speech.

You suggest only the Israelis have the qualities of 'courage and honesty', an ability to self evalulate, have 'generosity to forgive', 'wisdom and intelligence' and 'imagination' and the Palestinians lack them?

'If you have none of these qualities but hatred, you are at a dead end lane way.'

Why doesn't that also apply to the Israelis?

You're indulging in hate speech.

That you call me a liar says more about you and your lack of intellectually ability in facing well reasoned and logical opinions based in fact that differ from your puny attempts at justifying the hate and warmongering of the Israelis.

ps You haven't the sensitivity to put yourself in the shoes of the Palestinians.

imajulianutter

please, by all means, give us some facts about Israel and Palestine.

The best revenge is to live a better life than your enemy. Do Palestinians live a better life than Israeli people? No brainer. Apparently those people believe otherwise, say, the best revenge is to make your enemy live just as miserable as you are. In the end, those people become a nuisance, unable to win a war but refuse to concede defeat.

Muslim nations in general, Arab nations in particular, have a sense of cultural-religious superiority that does not tolerant self-criticism.

Shame you are not a muslim, given the attitude you have exhibited here.

Peng

listen carefully.

Arab culture derives from the Bedioun tribes of Saudi Arabia.

From where are the diversities of the cultures of the Egyptians, Palestinians, Lebanonese, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis and Iranians derived? Obviously not the Bedioun tribes of Saudi Arabia eh mate?

That all speak Arabic or many share the religion of Islam is no answer. Much of the world speak English and adopt the tenets of Christainity. That doesn't make them all English or necessarily practicing Christians.

It's a shame you aren't a Western Liberal Democrat. If you were you'd be ashamed of your lack of intellectual development or ability to logically and reasonably prosecute a reasoned argument

As western liberal democrats we reject, like christ, notions of vengence, we prefer Christ's teachings of forgiveness. You've just exemplified my positions regarding Israel and the West.