Ilan Pappe has a point: Judaism does not serve the Israeli people, it is based on a lie and brings suffering, shame and danger on the ordinary Israeli citizens, hence it would be a good idea to dismantle the Jewish state... except... that Islam would not serve the Israeli people any better either.

Had there been no Islamists of the extreme variety all around Israel, then I would go with Pappe's call to dismantle Israel, but alas, that would leave the Israelis straight inside the crocodile den.

Sorry Ilan, not at this time, we are not ready yet.

Perhaps... turn Israel instead from being a Jewish state into being a Non-Muslim state!

GoP,

You are painting yourself in a corner.

You don't accept the 1947 borders, or the 1967 borders. What do you accept? If the answer is only a whole Israel, the question is what do you do with the Palestinians in the west bank or the Jews, nearly all of whom have been born in Israel and are citizens of no other country.

PS do you want to revisit the borders of Russia, Poland, Germany and Finland that were forged in WWII?

The two state solution is dead.
The only way such a primitive and one-sided system would be allowed by the Zionists and their ilk, would be if Israel continued to exert full control over every aspect of the lives of the Palestinians.

This "State of Palestine" would exist as a series of tiny concrete cantons, joined by tunnels or heavily fenced roads, restricted to a tiny percentage of the land that was once theirs. Those parts least desired by the Zionists.

The only solution is to return to the situation before al Naqba when people of all persuasions lived together in remarkable harmony.
Divisions only arose when the Zionists plan became obvious to all.

Anybody who continues to offer the same tired Zionist propaganda should understand that the world largely, does not believe it.
The problem for the Zionists is, you see, that they just can't stop being who they are and doing what they do, for all to see.

Total control of the land/subjugation of any/all remaining pesky Palestinians has and always will be, their master plan. All else, all pretense of peace talking and exchanging land (?) is just hollow and meaningless, buying time whilst they do as they wish.
Whilst so doing, many are getting wealthy by stealing land from the Palestinians (West Bank and Jerusalem) and building housing for "returning Jews", who all have far more rights than any existing Palestinians, in or out of Palestine.
This seizure of and building on occupied land is of course, strictly illegal according to international law.

Pappe (and Morris, before his shamefully retreat from truth) upset many by discovering and exposing the truth from the archives of both the British and the ancestors of the IDF, Irgun/Haganah. If these same archives have nothing more to hide, why have they now been closed?

Anther big problem for the Zionists is that the truth, which many of the older ones know, having assiduously kept it from the next generation, is horrendous. So horrendous the Zionists can not believe that a "Truth and Reconciliation" a la South Africa, could work.

Yuyutsu..
Pappe is not calling for the dismantling of Israel.
He is acknowledging that the present ZIONIST state is built upon lies, deceit, inhumanity and any number of war crimes.
It is the present regime that needs to be dismantled so that ALL can be given the opportunity to live in peace.
No country can exist based upon exclusivity of one race or mythological belief system.

The most rabid supporters of the Zionist State are Christian Zionists, who anticipate the return of JC when Israel is, basically, destroyed (some allies there!!) and the settler block, who are maniacal and in fact more active against Palestinians than Palestinians are against them. These nasties are usually sad no-hopes where they come from (States largely) who can now carry weapons openly and use them against a down trodden people who can't fight back. God's people.. Yeah.

Suggest you review the history a little more fully, beginning in 1897, Zionist Congress in Basle.

Dear Therzal,

You are bursting into an open door.

I don't know Pappe, so I simply believed the title of this article which claims that he wants to dismantle Israel. Is this incorrect then?

So now I am confused - is the idea of keeping Israel yet dismantling Zionism, Pappe's or your own?

Next question is how, on a practical level, can it be done - how is it possible to dismantle Zionism? who's got the power to do so anyway, yet keep the ordinary Israeli population safe from a flood of unabated Muslim hatred and revenge?

What makes you optimistic that "Truth and Reconciliation" a la South Africa could work in Israel? African culture is more easy-going and forgiving, not so the male-based Muslim culture!

Being angry at the situation is not enough, I am yet to hear of a practical, workable solution.

Yuyutsu.
If you are really interested, you could read Ali Abunimeh, "One Country"
or you could wait for Pappe's book to come out.
In the meantime, you could familiarise yourself by reading Chomsky, Finkelstein, Finkelstein and Liberman etc etc.

All it takes is the will. But the Zionist programme was always about taking all. Their only regret was that they failed in 1948 to push out/kill all Palestinians. They recognised then that they would have problems later on. Unhappily for them, much more unhappily for the objects of their subjugation, they were right.