Dear Geoff of Perth,

Putting people in a yolk is an eggscruciating act. It is poultry behaviour.

Hi David f,

I agree, I notice not one person, not one, has yet to answer my first post, the silence is deafening, I await the might (religious fervour) of those who claim to have a legitimate claim in counter........not expecting much....given the truth of my facts.

Geoff,

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make " it is legally clear that the UN had and continues to have no authority or right to partition foreign lands."

Agreed, therefore the 1967 border stands.

Shadow Minister, wrong, the establishment of Israel was and remains illegal by international law.

Plain, simple and for some strange reason you refer back to the 1967 war and resultant false boundary!

The first response by Scribbler - "What a pile of Israeli propaganda" - was very similar to poor Ilan Pappe's response on Q and A.

It was amazing how quickly Pappe lost his cool when Irving Wallach made his self evident comment that rejection of the UN partition in 1947 led to the Arab refugees, and that the Jerusalem Mufti being a Nazi sympathiser didn’t help! “Lies, you’re a liar, its Israeli propaganda” Pappe almost yelled at Wallach. Even Tony, who bent over backwards to be accomodating to Pappe, had to mention that he had seen pictures of the Mufti with Hitler. Well yes, that’s true, we all occasionally make bad choices, seemed to be Pappes airy reply.

I understand why Pappe’s animosity to Israel makes him such a favourite of the Friends of Palestine and BDS crowd, but with this outburst, he would have had to lose some credibillity - he's certainly more “activist than historian”.

I would have liked to challenge him that his effort to boycott his own former Haifa University is itself truly a dangerous McCarthyist idea, attacking academic freedom, and blocking important dialogue between ideological opponents. It's certainly ironic that Pappe is speaking at a Festival of Dangerous Ideas..."close down ideas that dissent from mine" would be Pappes cry.

I imagine Pappe will use the label “Apartheid” as a term to abuse Israel (like the tropes of old). Since anyone with any factual knowledge will know that Israel is nothing like Apartheid South Africa (I won't bother going into the weaknesses of the analogy) I presume Pappe will attempt to justify the use of the label by pointing to some separation, with a “separation is Apartheid” riff (I read in the SMH a couple of weeks ago about Gender Apartheid in Australia). Since Pappe separates Israel apart from other countries with far worse records in human rights or separation type activity, doesn't that make Pappe himself, a purveyor of apartheid?

By the way, I agree with Scribbler that the words "Pappe" and "Pap" coexist nicely

Geoff the reason that no one really feels like addressing your post is that it is a nonsense.

The UN was given the mandate to partition the land that was formally Turkey and controlled by the former League of Nations.

If it was totally powerless to rule on the matter then you would have to say that India/Pakistan does not exist. You can forget Jordan and the borders of Syria as well. Greek and Turkish islands will need to be realigned. Yes I can see how that would appeal to some people.

Now The point that the Palestinians require a fair go is an obvious requirement. It would be in the best interests if it was up to the average Palestinian and the average Israeli. However the leadership in Gaza has adopted the bargaining method of using terror to make their points.

Although many people in both Israel and Palestine are working toward a 2 state solution and want a peaceful outcome for everyone there has to be a willingness to recognize both sides.

Since Hamas has taken over Gaza and have disallowed the existence of Israel the incidence of violence and murder along with the racist demands for the death of all Jews have escalated exponentially.

Since these are the people that are charged with the responsibility to negotiate the settlement of hostilities, Borders and trade, it makes moving forward by the average Palestinian problematic at best.