Dear runner,

I have distorted nothing. You keep accusing me of that. You don't point out where I have distorted anything. You can't because I have distorted nothing. You have done so, and I called you to account for it. I don't doubt that women you are close to agree with you. It is possible that they may be afraid of you.

Let's dispense with calling each other names like wicked. That does no good. I try to do the best I can, and I assume you do likewise. Let's also keep Nazis out of it. That's another kind of name calling.

I think a woman in most cases has the right to decide she wants to have an abortion. I believe that right prevails over any rights an embryo might have. You would deny her that right. That is our difference.

All the other argy-bargy is unnecessary. Name calling is unpleasant.

I don't think you are a bad person. We are not going to agree. I will use my efforts to see that abortion continues to be legal. I assume you will try to see that it is illegal.

We are probably both trying to do what we think is right. However, we don't agree on what we think is right.

*Sort of like skin cells or hair*

Not really, Rich. They are not carbon based lifeforms which are
alive and move about on their own.

Do you actually understand what spermatogenisis is all about?
Those little sperms are not all the same.

Because brainwaves are emitted, does not mean that its already
a human brain. Time for you to do your neuroscience homework and
look up what is different about the human brain to other brains
and when that actually develops. Its like you trying to call
something a car, when it has no engine. Its a chassis, not yet
a car. But do your homework and come back to me when you have
learned the answers. I already know them, but you clearly don't
believe me, so you might as well look them up yourself.

davidf I appreciate your different one however you have gone from

'You might not hate women, but you don't care a bit about their feelings or their needs. '

Someone who cares not or feels about another human being whether man, woman, child or baby in my view is not a nice person and yet you then write

'I don't think you are a bad person. '

The issue was never whether I was a good or bad person. I am very happy to leave that judegment to those who live with me everyday. I am first to admit that along with every other human I have a fallen nature. I see a clear parrelel between the Germans who were brainwashed by the Nazi party that Jews were not human to abortionist who use pseudo science (very pseudo) to rename and deny the obvious fact that a baby is a baby. This demonstrates to me clearly that you to have a flawed nature.

Yabby, yes, sperm can move and they have life. They have the DNA of the man in whom they were manufactured. The definition of an organism (from biology online) is “An individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis. It can be a virus, bacterium, protist, fungus, plant or an animal.”. Sperm can’t do the things on that list and so they are not an organism. Some questions for you: if a sperm is an organism, what species does it belong to? Also, do you think white blood cells are organisms too?

I am glad to see you are somewhat educated, at least on neuroscience. Personally I like this site on human brain development: http://main.zerotothree.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ter_key_brainFAQ#fullydeveloped not too technical, but plenty of information to surmise what is going on; I’m sure you are fully conversant with what it says. Readers of this blog can check it out for themselves and decide when what I call a human brain becomes enough of a human brain to be classified as such. We will clearly disagree on the point in question though; but again, many pro-aborts and scientists would disagree with your view. Like many, I choose to classify the thing in the head cavity that emits brainwaves, by day 40 or so, as a brain, even though it is not fully constructed when it starts doing so, and even though it will add capabilities as it develops further and becomes what you consider a brain. Regardless, isn’t it amazing that it can work and perform some roles, even when not fully constructed? What organ would you classify it as when it starts emitting brainwaves?

Oh, and humans are not at all like cars (or chairs, or bread, or any of those other illogical examples). Cars cannot construct themselves (from a single cell).

And no, I don’t believe much of what you say: you are at least correct in that statement.

*They have the DNA of the man in whom they were manufactured.*

Ah Rich, but they are not identical and don't carrry identical dna.
It depends on what happened at meiosis. So there is already mass
variation between sperms. So they are indeed individuals, unlike
other cells, which are exact copies. They are alive for days and
they move about on their own accord, unlike blood cells or any other
cells. For every definition that you find from one source, I can
find you another definition which makes my point.

Crocodile brains have a brainstem and send electric impulses, that
does not mean they are human brains. The human brain really evolved
in three stages, ie the brain stem, the limbic system or the emotional
centres and then the thinking bits on top. A brain with just a
functioning brainstem and developing nervous system, is not yet
a human brain, but a potential one. The thinking bits really only
come together at week 22. Potential does not equate to already
existing.

When it comes down to people, it is all about the brain. If I
did surgey and transplanted your brain into the body of a woman of
say 60, who would you be

Why that word is constantly repeated on this thread - "human", "human" and "human" again.

All that is biased speciesism, blindly identifying with the human species, applying double standards in favour of one's own kind.

Yes, a fetus is human - so what's the big deal? why should it be wrong to kill a human for those who daily and without remorse place the corpses of other animals on their table? Generally, those animals being butchered are more evolved - physically, mentally and emotionally than the fetuses under discussion, their pain and loss being significantly greater than the pain and loss of fetuses who have not experienced the world yet, who are yet to have any investment in it.

Humans are the biggest pests on this planet. There are way too many of them, harassing and decimating the rest. But not only the rest are to suffer - in order to sustain such numbers, humans themselves pay the heavy price of having to live further and further away from nature, within their artificial technological hive, that indeed keeps their bodies alive, but sucks away any meaning out of living.

Want to be pro-life? Then be pro all forms of life, not just of your own kind; and consider the quality of life as well, not just the compulsive persistence of certain organic compounds.