Oh thank you Jay-of-Melbourne but you don't need to call me elitist - Sir will do. You will have come over and ponder the new world order whilst doing my cleaning. We could base this radical traditionalism on Judeo values from the Olde Testament - you could be a slave from a neighbouring tribe where your mother and married sisters were raped and murdered in the name of your god.

Ah,c'mon Eric, there's no need to post insults ,come over to the dark side, run with the Wolf Pack instead of with the sheep, us "Nazis" are just a bunch of Fags right? And according to the "Old Testament" crowd we must be Fags because we're Pagans so what have you got to lose?.
Do you want revolution and the overthrow of Judeo Christian morality or not? If yes then the revolutionary right might be for you, we won't force you to make any compromises if you don't force us to ;).
As James O'Meara says, "I want to live in a society where the Symposium could be written, not one in which it would be burned".

Where do I start....there is nothing like having a complete change of heart and mind in order to see things as they really are...I was once blinded by the popular myth that I was "born gay", that I had "no choice" but I have since discovered this is NOT TRUE, but a practicing gay person will not be able to see this until they start to open their mind to the fact that homosexual acts are against nature. To the homosexuals that are reading this...you know that your thoughts have plagued you at night when you are on your own trying to sleep, questioning your own actions, yet you continue to deny this part of yourself, the part that says there is another way, and I know even now you want to deny that this even happens in your mind but it is true and you know it deep down. So...go ahead, fight for "gay rights" until your last breath but know this...there is a better way and you are denying it. Now I'm not saying it is an easy thing to change, I know that all too well, but the benefits far outweigh the alternative. We may not stop gay marriage but homosexuals will always know that their actions are not as God or nature intended. This will NEVER change.

I think I've worked out where you went wrong Tim.Lumsden… you should have just saved yourself all of the angst involved in the process of ending back where you started – which presumably was that you were 'born heterosexual'.

Because that's the only way of interpreting your description without accusing you of self-delusion. Then or now.

Still, as long as you're happy and content – good luck with that never changing.

Tim, do the thoughts of your own sexuality, plague you at night.
As it seems there is an element of personal conflict to your own being, in your posting.

@TheTruth - argument by assertion over the Littleton case.

I didn't mention that she "was a dude" because while that's legally correct in several states, in other states she's a lady. As my post pointed out. The facts don't change when she crosses a state line, their interpretation does.

Just as in California in times past, someone who was 1/128 Black was regarded as white, so prohibited from marrying a black, but in Virginia was legally black, so prohibited from marrying a white.

That's my point about "social constructs". The objective facts remain constant, the interpretation varies. It also points out the similar lack of logic and basic humanity when you disregard "equality" as utopian idealism "based on facts" which are dodgy.