Do those in authority lie because they know most people tend to reject the truth, or do most people accept the lie because they no longer know what the truth is?

Either way David, it’s the Zionistic culture, and its belief in a false history that has been lying to itself so much, for so long, it doesn't know the difference between reality and fantasy.

Then, again, as usual there is nothing new here; those with the best stories generally win, and have for millennia, as have philosophical debates regarding "truth" and “deception”.

For those of us who question everything, we become enlightened.

You will eventually realise there is little to be gained by trying to empower people with your own ‘facts (lies)’.

A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes... Mark Twain(?) Sometimes it's best to stay home and go barefoot, frustrating, I know... but you will get used to it eventually!

Look David, it's Friday night and I think that we can both acknowledge that we are getting no-where with this tooing-and-frowing.

You don't want to answer my question and I don't have all my sources to hand from this computer.

I understand that everyone has a right to their belief's and I also acknowledge that some like to publish what their particular mantra is.

I do not understand your fervent belief regime, nor your continued stance on the question/solution as you tout it to be, being a so-called "Foundation Member of the International Analyst Network and Convenor of Jordan is Palestine International - an organisation calling for sovereignty of the West Bank and Gaza to be allocated between Israel and Jordan as the two successor States to the Mandate for Palestine.." (ref: OLO, author bio).

Your historical posting on OLO clearly shows that you are a 'zealot' in terms of your belief, however I believe in looking at all of the evidence and then attempting to make rational decisions and making discussion on points of divergance/interest and where my thought process diverges from your's.

I guess we will never agree, no hard feelings there, but I wish you would consider current events, non-MSM 'news' and post some rationale on current events taking place in the Middle East. Israel has a lot to answer for and your continued stance appears, at least to me, at odds with reality.

I hope you have a good weekend

Geoff

# To csteele

Your three part post is remarkably similar to that presented on the anti-Israel site "Israel Policy Forum" on 3 March 2007 and is totally irrelevant to the causes of the Six Day War.

Read this contemporary timeline:

Israel's Prime Minister Levi Eshkol addresses the Israeli Parliament on 12 June 1967:

Part 1

"The last four weeks have been weeks of tension and trial - from Independence Day, the fifth of Iyar May 15), until that great Sabbath, the second of Sivan 5727 (June 10, 1967).

On Independence Day, powerful Egyptian forces started to cross the Canal and move in the direction of the Israeli frontier. After three days, these forces were deployed on our border.

Once the deployment was completed, Nasser demanded the withdrawal of the UN force from Sharm el-Sheikh, Sinai and the Gaza Strip.

On the morning of Tuesday, May 23, Egypt announced the closing of the Strait of Tiran to Israeli shipping and to international shipping carrying strategic material to Israel's southernmost port, Eilat.

After the Egyptian ruler had annulled the international arrangements that had been in force for the past ten years, he went on to proclaim in public his desire to wipe Israel off the map. As has now transpired, the Commander of the Egyptian air force issued, on May 27, a secret operations order to his pilots to prepare for a surprise attack on Israel.

On May 30, Nasser signed a military agreement with Hussein. On June 4, he signed a similar agreement with Iraq. These agreements, in addition to the Egyptian-Syrian agreement, completed the encirclement of Israel - which was designed to facilitate a surprise attack upon us from all quarters.

On June 3, the then Commander of the Egyptian forces in Sinai issued an Order of the Day to his soldiers to prepare for an attack on Israel, describing the expected results of "this unique moment" as "of historic importance to the Arab people." His prophecy came true in a manner of which he did not dream at the time."

(Part 2 follows)

Israel's Prime Minister Levi Eshkol addresses the Israeli Parliament on 12 June 1967:

Part 2

"As the Egyptian forces advanced into the Sinai peninsula, I ordered, with the consent of the Government, the beginning of the mobilization of the Israel Defense Forces' reserves. As the threat increased in gravity, mobilization was expanded and our preparedness intensified."

In my statement to the Knesset on May 29, I informed you that our forces were "ready and prepared to frustrate the enemy's designs in all sectors and on all our borders."

On the same occasion, I suggested that the Egyptian ruler might "remember that this is not the first time that he has been borne on the wings of his imagination and seen himself a victor before he has set out to war." I added that "he ought to remember that disillusionment was not long in coming, as we witnessed."

To the Israel Defense Forces I said: "Thanks to your being strong enough to overcome the enemy in any situation, the Government of Israel is able to adopt in confidence and fortitude the grave decisions that confront it, as is dictated by our supreme responsibility for the fate of the country and the Jewish people."

Last Monday, June 5, 1967, 7-8 Egyptian divisions, 2 of them armored, were deployed in front of our border in Sinai; 900 tanks were dispersed along the border 200 of them opposite Eilat, with the aim of cutting off the southern Negev; along Israel's eastern border stood 60,000 Jordanian soldiers and 300 tanks; the Jordanian army had been placed under Egyptian command, and Egyptian commando units, as well as Iraqi forces, had entered its territory.

On our northern border with Syria, 50,000 Syrian soldiers were ready for the assault, and the entire border was sown with guns and mortars, dug in, fortified, and protected by concrete and steel.

Some 600 Egyptian, Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi planes were ready.

During the days preceding June 5, Egyptian air sorties took place over Israeli skies.

The decisive moment came."

#To csteele

When can I expect your answer to my following questions?

"Do you know the term "Palestinians" does not include Jews,non-Arab Christians and any other secular non- Arab citizens?

If you do - how can you object to my use of the term "Palestinian Arabs" to clarify and identify who the "Palestinians" are?"

Dear David Singer,

The Israel Policy Forum is not anti-Israel at all. It is run primarily by Jews, and supported by “members of Jewish, philanthropic, academic and political organizations”. It was set up by Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and “Among the new significant names signing onto IPF’s revival are Rabbi Eric Yoffie, who just ended his term as president of the Union for Reform Judaism; Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.), who is retiring and in recent years had public disagreements both with the Israeli establishment and J Street; Holocaust historian Deborah Lipstadt; and philanthropist Charles Bronfman.”
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/65604/revived-israel-policy-forum-aims-to-rise-above-partisan-fray/

I went to them precisely because they had strong Jewish credentials. I used my own words as there were one or two pieces from their time line I was uncomfortable with but in checking everything else they seemed to be right on the money.

Calling them anti-Israel is reprehensible on your part. Just because they don't have your jaundiced and myopic world view doesn't mean you can insult them in that manner and you should think about apologising.

“Israel Policy Forum believes that a two-state solution to the conflict will "safeguard Israel’s security and future as a Jewish and democratic state."”
Wikipedia

Hardly anti-Israeli at all. What they do is to take the writings of people like yourself and subject them to factual and historical analysis so I know why you would feel so threatened by them.

I hold their time line in far more esteem than your own I'm afraid and I venture most thinking people would too so my conclusions stand.