As I said David, I have never read the book that you quoted, and yes the sources I did pull the material from have probably read the book and quoted it, however no source material was shown and no mention of a book was made, if that makes me someone who has plagarised something then take what you will from it.

As to me being a liar, I find this bemusing because nearly everything you write on OLO is based on the biggest lie of them all.

You cite your facts and write your thoughts based on lies and a false history.

Really, stones and glass houses just don't match your gall.

As to stealing someone else's view, these match my views, sorry that more than one person can have the same thought process

Oh and David, as to being a liar, you just proved you are happy to lie, you said you would no longer respond to comments from me, lo and behold you have, Pot calling the kettle seems appropriate here.

#To Geoff of Perth

Have you no shame or remorse?

Geoff of Perth:

"In a private conversation Dayan was asked: “What you really fear is that a day will come when the major powers will require Israel to be the sacrificial lamb on the altar of political expediency – just as in 1947 and 1948 they required the Palestinians to be the sacrifice on that altar.” Dayan replied, “You could put it like that.” Then, after a long pause, he added, “But we won’t let it happen.” Though he did not say so, he meant, “We have an independent nuclear deterrent and nobody is going to make Israel do what it does not want to do.”

Alan Hart:

"I once said the following to Dayan in private conversation: “What you really fear is that a day will come when the major powers will require Israel to be the sacrificial lamb on the altar of political expediency – just as in 1947 and 1948 they required the Palestinians to be the sacrifice on that altar.” Dayan replied, “You could put it like that.” Then, after a long pause, he added, “But we won’t let it happen.” Though he did not say so, he meant, “We have an independent nuclear deterrent and nobody is going to make Israel do what it does not want to do.”

Your thoughts or Alan Hart's thoughts?

You now have come up with a novel excuse stating:

"yes the sources I did pull the material from have probably read the book and quoted it, however no source material was shown and no mention of a book was made,"

Care to let us know who those sources were that you relied on? Why didn't you at least acknowledge those sources in your posts - since clearly you were plagiarising their thoughts - and representing them as your own original thoughts.

If you want to continue to try and justify your disgusting and indefensible behaviour then I will continue to respond.

Dear David Singer,

You call the claim that it was Israel that provoked Syrian involvement in the war a load of codswallop intimating instead that it was sparked by “Syrian gunners fired from their Golan Heights position on an Israeli tractor farming in the demilitarised zone.“

Yet you call GFP's posts shameful?

It appears you are happy to contradict the words of a famous Israeli General.

“I know how at least 80% of all these incidents there [border with Syria] started. In my opinion, more than 80%, but lets speak about the 80%. It would go like this: we would send in a tractor to plow…..in the de-miltarised area, and we would know ahead of time that the Syrians would start shooting. If they did not start shooting, we would inform the tractor to progress farther, until the Syrians in the end, would get nervous and would shoot. And then we would use guns, and later even the airforce, and that is how it went….We thought that we could change the lines of the ceasefire accords by military actions that were less than war. That is, to seize some territory and hold it until the enemy despairs and gives it to us.”

Your posts serve to drive home the almost daily shame I feel in believing for most of my adult life the propoganda that had me accepting things like the Six Day War was a David and Goliath affair justly fought against outside aggressors. I now know that was codswallop of the highest order.

Lets try another version of the timeline of incidents leading to the conflict.

The area in question was a tiny patch of land of 60 odd km2 that had been proscribed in the UN partition plan to go to Israel. It mainly contained Syrian villages and during the 1947-48 war Syria occupied it. Compared to the nearly 6,000 km2 Israel captured during the conflict represented it was about a hundredth in size. Under the subsequent Israel – Syrian armistice it was declared a demilitiarised zone.

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It should be noted none of the land captured by the Israelis was treated in the same manner.

This small patch was placed under the supervision of the UN Truce Supervision Organisation plus a Israeli-Syrian Mixed Armistice Committee (MAC).

1951 Within a year trouble had started when Israelis commenced works on draining a lake and wetlands adjacent to the DMZ. Tensions flared when workers moved into the disputed area and Syria went to the MAC to complain. MAC ordered the Israelis to withdraw. Instead they declared the land belonged to Israel and expelled 2000 Syrian from three villages and bulldozed their homes. When some of the non-army Syrians responded by firing on Israeli forces it responded by bombing other Syrian villages inside Syria.

It took a UN Security Council resolution (93) to force Israel to back off to a degree and ordered the return of the 2000 Syrian villages. But with few homes to return to only a few hundred did so.

1953 Israel had another crack using the DMZ to divert water from the Jordan River for irrigation. Again it took the UN Security Council requested them to cease (Resolution 100) but it was only the threat of the US withdrawing funds that got them to stop entirely. Israel responded by withdrawing from the MAC.

1954 a squad of Israeli soldiers were capture inside Syrian territory.

1955 Syrian forces firing on an Israeli armoured patrol boat near its shore saw further Israeli incursions into Syria by Israeli forces and over 50 Syrian troops killed. One UNSTO officer called it “a premeditated raid of intimidation, motivated by Israel’s desire to test the strength of the Egyptian-Syrian mutual defence pact [signed in Oct. 1955] ……to bait the Arab states into some overt act of aggression that would offer then the opportunity to overrun additional territory without censure.”

Indeed the body's chief of staff said the Syrian “policy as regards Israel was to avoid incidents and situations which might involve Syria in active hostilities”

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1956 Yet another unanimous UN Security Council was passed, it stated the Council “Condemns the attack of 11 December 1955 as a flagrant violation of the cease-fire provisions of its resolution 54 (1948), of the terms of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Syria and of Israel's obligations under the Charter of the United Nations”.

1957 The UN has to step in again to stop Israeli border police and workers from constructing irrigation works next to a Syrian village within the DMZ.

1958 The Israelis try the same project again, stopping Syrian farmers working their fields. Gunfire is exchanged between the Syrian villages and Israeli border police who under the armistice should not have been there. This escalated to shelling from the Golan Heights.

1960 The Israelis going in hard blowing up the original Syrian village before being forced to withdraw.

1962 Probing Israeli patrol boats were again fired upon by Syrian forces. Israel reacts predictably with entering Syria to attacking villages and military positions.

The responding UN Security Council 171 “Determines that the Israel attack of 16-17 March 1962 constitutes a flagrant violation of that resolution, and calls upon Israel scrupulously to refrain from such action in the future;” but by the end of the year Israeli tractors are ploughing up Arab owned land in the DMZ causing more exchanges.

1964 Israel completes its diversion works and starts taking water from the Jordan River. Syria attempts to respond by creating its own works which are subsequently bombed 12km inside Syria by the Israelis.

1964-66 Further clashes between Syrian farmers and Israeli Border police.

1967 January. Border police again fire on Syrian farmers attempting to work their field and Syria responds with fire from the Golan Heights. Israeli declares it would cultivate the entire DMZ and after readying its armed forces, delaying a day to ensure good weather for military operations, sent in armoured tractors to provoke gunfire.

Thus the Six Day War.

The underlying theme was less about shelling armoured tractors from the Golan Heights and far more about water and Israeli aggression.