"But by God we've got to do something to slow it down or it will be curtains for civilization as we know it."

Indeed? Wow!! Instead of a threat, that should be looked at as a great opportunity :)

You see, your socialist friends, Roses, have made civilization-as-we-know-it so depressing that we will be better off without it, getting people out of their misery!

Unfortunately I can't see how global-warming can actually make a serious dent in civilization-as-we-know-it. It may cause some discomfort here and there, but nothing drastic enough.

If the seas were indeed to rise 300 meters as originally predicted, then perhaps there was hope, but given that they will rise no more than just one meter in a century, I won't hold my fingers crossed.

Just out of curiosity YuYu - what kind of impact do you think a one metre rise in sea level will have on 50 million people living in the deltas of Bangladesh, for example?

Do you think it will have an impact on the number of 'refugees' ariving in Australia by boat, for example?

Put another way, whilst I certainly don't believe in human induced catastrophic global warming - the consequences of global warming even at 2 degrees C by 2100 will be serious enough.

Pericles is part right, adaptation to a warmer and wetter world is very inportant - but so too is moving towards a cleaner energy future - we will have to one day, regardless of AGW.

As to "playing the man and not the ball" - a furphy. M'lord has made much of his "credentials", his "authority" and his "heredity" in arguing his "take" on the issues. There is nothing wrong in taking his "lordship" to task on the very things he uses to assert his influence.

David Suzuki is now telling innocent young children Santa will no longer have a home because of climate change.

See the ' Give us the money or Santa gets it' story - its just plain pathetic.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/12/03/rex-murphy-give-us-money-or-santa-gets-it/

Anything Monckton can do to stop this cruel lunacy is welcomed.

I hope my comments don't bespeak Hysteria, Pericles, I don't think we're at any tipping point within the time-frames we naively consider stable; we're such short-lived creatures in the scheme of things and this has dire consequences for the way we manage our long-term affairs. Why is it that we habitually assess matters in terms of our puny generations? It's probably likely the human world will continue to degenerate, economically, ecologically and ethically, before the sky actually falls in. This is bad because as natural disasters, famines and atrocities become worse, emerging generations adapt and harden to the only reality they've ever known, finding it hard to conceive of the world as any different.

I'm more and more persuaded, Roses1, that our idealism is not only ineffectual, but a salve for the hard realities (and powers that be) that proceed regardless. I think our best course, internationally, would be a generational phase of economic quiescence and material contraction, during which time nationally and internationally communitarian peace-keeping forces would try to keep the peace and prevent opportunistic uprisings. The human race just needs to hybernate peaceably for a time and emerge leaner, wiser and solvent. But this is pure idealism and the reality is probably that at some point we'll meet a violent and ignoble fate--again.
If a family lives beyond its means, regularly "consolidating" its debts and rationalising its excesses, it will eventually collapse (declaring bankruptcy is rapidly ceasing to be an option). Nations have been at this passe for a long time, but engineer inflation so as to outgrow their debts, or just print more money, like a shot of adrenalin, to stimulate life. There comes a point when it's all ineffectual, where private and public debt are consolidated to the hilt--and reality has to be faced. We've had to confront uncompromising realities during during wars, this is no different except, and this is the problem, we don't have a gun at our heads!
Sooner or later idealism consolidates into reality.

Loved your xmas ditty, Poirot!

The Governing class are the banking,military,industrial complex.They have also have strong connections to the royality of Europe,Britian and the Vatican.

This all began in earnest in the 1980's when scientists predicted that CO2 and human populations would destroy the planet.AGW looked real until the mid 90's when the facts would no longer support the theory.The elites had a really magnificient reason to bring in their"New World Order" They would save the planet by their total control.A. very noble cause of course

Debt slavery now envelops the world and the lie of AGW is now being revealed.

War will be the elites escape from us,since they now realise that this growing awarness,focuses all the attention on them.

Israel is totally focused on attacking Iran.They are the tool for the banksters who financially back all sides in conflicts to maximise their power and profits.

Well done, Arjay - despite all the quantities of alcohol that you consumed, you still managed to hit the nail on its head:

The only two sources for all our problems are the Jews and the bicycle riders!