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Dispelling the myths about school chaplains : Comments
By Tim Mander, published 12/8/2011The decision to allow school communities the option to receive federal funding for a chaplain requires some clarity...and a High Court ruling.
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Posted by Philo, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 4:28:35 PM
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Louella, it will be interesting to see if Tasmania descends into the riots and debauchery predicted :-)
Philo Sounds like your sister did not know her job very well A secular counselor is there to care for children who have educational or emotional problems. If children have a spiritual problem there are many churches in the community that can help. State schools are not places for religion, in the same way churches are not places for science or education. Posted by Dug, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 5:56:33 PM
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The NSCP is a gigantic waste of money. It maligns minority religions, denominations, and non-believers by ensuring only the most prevalent religious beliefs get a representative chaplain. Every effort to hire a suitable (religious) person must be exhausted before the schools can consider better qualified people who do not profess the "correct" religious belief.
Then, once obtaining the position, chaplains are barred from acting religious. Given they have been hired on the basis of their religion (against section 116 of the constitution) rather than their qualification, what exactly are they supposed to do? No wonder Tim Mander says their mantra is "refer, refer, refer, and when in doubt, refer". Religious people may not be have the necessary skills to help troubled children, or recognise the signs indicating professional help is required. The program in its current state is discriminatory, divisive, and dangerous - it must be scrapped immediately. Please join our "Stop the NSCP" Facebook group. http://www.facebook.com//groups/stopnscp Posted by askegg, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 7:23:43 PM
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askegg,
Before attacking school chaplins, talk to all Principals and all teachers where they are employed and get their opinion. Posted by Philo, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 7:56:20 PM
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Philo before defending school chaplains talk to the children and parents who have valid problems with how they are behaving in our schools.
The Victorian Teachers Union supports the removal of state school chaplains and the redirection of funding into secular support for students. is that enough to convince you or are unions all commies ? Posted by Dug, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 8:03:01 PM
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At my kids' state school, sadly, the principle and most of the teachers she hires are Christians--so they love the chapies!
The deputy principle is not a Christian, and is a friend of mine; he's disgusted with the Christian infiltration that's extended via chaplency. The same person has told me that he's had to caution the chaplain for using fire and brimstone tactics on recalcitrants. So much for no proselytising. There would be far more damning anecdotes associated with chaplaincy if a) Christians were not so over-represented in our state schools, and b) if they were more apt to speak up. Teaching is a conservative profession in general and schools are highly politically charged, both among the teachers and hierarchy and the parents. Teachers thus prudently tend to keep quiet generally, more's the pitty. Posted by Squeers, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 8:09:49 PM
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NSW schools already have school counsellors. My sister was one during her teaching career in High Schools. They deal with the childs learning abilities, not their emotional and spiritual needs.