…Continued

<<Inventors, Engineers and Scientists do not sit around awaiting 'evidence' AJ.>>

And why would they? No-one was obliged to provide it. If a god exists and is threatening us with eternal consequences, then that god is obliged to prove their existence to us beyond any reasonable doubt.

Furthermore, the Abrahamic god allegedly wants a relationship with us but apparently can’t be bothered putting any effort into reaching out to us in any way that can’t be explained through other more rational means; at least not to those of us who understand the nature of evidence since he’s relying texts, anecdotal testimony and old languages that die out.

<<There is no evidence that a certain invention (after spending time, resources and money)will ever eventuate or be successful.>>

No, but we can apply what we do already know to arrive at a certain level of certainty that it will be successful and if it isn’t, then it’s abandoned. Very different from making something up, only to then - when there is no evidence for it and even evidence to the contrary - place it in an untouchable transcendent realm to avoid ever having to abandon it and protect it from the only reliable methods we currently have for investigating reality.

The faith you refer to in your analogy is a justified confidence in the eventual success of something. “Religious faith”, on the other hand, is merely hope and desire mistaken for knowledge. Even if they were the same kinds of “faith”, your analogy would STILL be woefully inaccurate because the “faith” that engineers/scientists/etc start off with is no longer required once their ideas are made reality. Religion, however, will always require faith and even theists themselves admit this.

How is it that we use reason and evidence in every endeavour of our lives but then when it comes to the ultimate and most important truth, theists say faith is required?

What kind of a god requires faith instead of evidence?

AJ Philips: Enlightening posts as always. Thank you. As a bit of a nod to last month's 300th anniversary of the philosopher David Hume's birth…

You pose the question: "What kind of a god requires faith instead of evidence?"

The sort that is only conjured into existence in our imaginations – that is, all of them.

Poirot: “I'm fascinated at how often the word ‘militant’ is bandied about by Christians referring to anyone who objects to their children being Christian indoctrinated in a supposedly secular school environment.”

Typical “humanitarian” atheist talk. So Christian education means “indoctrination” because you’re precious? I have little time for atheists who stalk and seek out Christians and other self-identified people of faith.

100 million-plus people were murdered under atheist communist regimes alone (the world’s greatest killing machine), so save your tears for them. Save your sermons for their enablers and excuse makers.

Here’s a more sensible quote from Agatha Christie: “For sheer primitive rage, commend me to a thorough-going humanitarian when you get him well roused.” That in a nutshell is your hysterical atheist.

Perhaps even more to the point; what sort of a God creates beings with endlessly enquiring minds, and then says: "Don't enquire"?
A very shy one, methinks.

aJ/QUOTE...'"What kind of a god requires faith instead of evidence""

I WILL IGNORE THAT YOU USE..THE WORD REQUIRES
god 'requires'..nothing from us
our lives are the perfect gift

see how he sustains even the most vile living
their lives..[equally as to him supplying life for..the better]

god sustains our living
[he is not a god of the dead..[nor the material]

""..No-one was obliged to provide it.""
for belief is for each to individually decide
or not..

""If a god exists
and is threatening us with eternal consequences""'

se right there you go wrong
you say god threatens...but this is faulse

[if you sought to know god..[good]..
you would realise..he dont threaten
[thats fools..getting gods/good wrong],

""then that god is obliged to prove
their existence to us beyond any reasonable doubt.""

again you confound words
you talk of god[ie ONE GOOD}..*god
thjen ramble on stuff and nonsense...with the insertion of..''their'

well here is the scoop
god DONT THREATEN

god is one
..[atonement/at-one-meant]

all living
all loving
all mercyfull

if you expect..the wrong idea about god
of course you cant ever find proof..!

[your looking..for YOUR..*IDEA OF GOD..
not the good..sustaining your every breath}..

""the Abrahamic god allegedly wants a relationship""

you know some stuff

yet dont filter
the tares..from the wheat

[how much more
is god..'one to one'..

...than sustaining you
[us/..all]..

our EVERY BREATH?
sustaining..us all
our very lives..

relationship/.."""with us..
but apparently can’t be bothered
putting any effort into reaching out to us..in any way..

that can’t be explained
through other more rational means;""

mate
were god to stop doing..that ONLY GOD CAN DO

ie make 'life'/live..
there COULD BE NO LIFE...[fullstop].

its not going to happen..
because god lives
thus we live...

he could no more end life...
than could a baby
build a constructive/reasoned..lie

YOU GOT GOD ALL WRONG

he dont do vengence..
he dont do 'judemeant'
he dont hate..no fear/no lie
god is..*the only perfect/living good..[god]

""at least not to those of us
who understand..the nature of evidence"''

lol
you cant even sepperate..fact from fiction..from a book

the bible is full out it
[its best value is finding the good..*of god]
and ignoring..*the delusion/exoplanations..of men..in it

god is love grace mercy..[good works..of life]

live with the truth

nature of evidence..""since he’s relying texts,.
.anecdotal testimony
and old languages..that die out."""

and thus the concept was lost...the holy texts..got rewritten
translated..put into divergent context...[made man god]..lol

THUS THE NEED TO FILTER OUT
THAT GOOD..OF GOD..!

from the crapppp..of men
who didnt know...the truth of god within us all

that we do to the LEAST[or the most]
WE DO TO/FOR HIM..!