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By Ben-Peter Terpstra, published 17/5/2011To whom or what was Julia Gillard praying, since she tells us she has no god.
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Posted by Saltpetre, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 2:39:34 PM
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BPT
Atheists are not the ones pushing their 'Chaplains' into the school system nor advocating classes that rubbish Christianity. What is it that you are not getting. What you are advocating is the same as those Communists - pushing an agenda onto a population made up of many different faiths and beliefs via the school system. Atheists are leaving Christians alone we only ask each person to respect the rights of others by not proselytising in schools or invading the privacy of people's homes. Part of that means leaving others to their own beliefs and to do no harm. Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 3:04:05 PM
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“Atheists are leaving Christians alone we only ask each person to respect the rights of others by not proselytising in schools or invading the privacy of people's homes. Part of that means leaving others to their own beliefs and to do no harm.”
Pelican – your faith statement is interesting but it is contradicted by my own personal experiences and those of many others. For starters, preaching against preaching is circular. Second, the conversion tactics used by militant Darwinists, global warmists, and politically-correct speech code fanatics, are very evangelical indeed. I’m sorry your faith has blinded you to reality. I don’t believe that LOUD atheists should be telling open faith groups, from African-American Christians to Aboriginal Catholics, what they can say and can’t say in public. If your ears are that sensitive then just switch off, or go for a walk. Free speech isn’t a one way street. Perhaps you would have been more suited to Red Russia. But that experiment failed. Posted by BPT, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 9:54:49 PM
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suzeonline
at least you are honest enough to state that all belief systems concerning beginnings are based on faith. Far more honest than the fundies who claim the big bang is science. We finally agree on something. Posted by runner, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 9:58:25 PM
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Ho Hum, with your name I wouldn’t be calling people clowns. Perhaps you’re projecting. You appear to be just another faceless and nameless Labor-like clown. And no one is forcing you to read this, unless you’re a trolling (which would explain a great deal).
PS> I never said Sam Harris is the devil. Indeed, I like his “pro-torture” views. Most people on the right and now some on the left are awake to his wild evangelical side, however. Posted by BPT, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:02:11 PM
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BPT
Do you really not understand any of the points made about pushing a one-side agenda in schools or are you being purposely disingenuous. This is not anti-Christian, it is seeking mutual respect for our differing views and acknowledging everything in its proper place. Atheists are not preaching against preaching. There are places for all purposes and preaching is certainly appropriate in Churches or Bible Studies groups etc. It is not suitable in public schools. As a parent I really want to be able to make informed choices on how my children are raised and schooled. If I want a religious education there are those options. Some like ACCESS are openly claiming the goal in gathering disciples within schools. http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3216132.htm How would you feel if it were not only Christian Chaplains allowed in schools but anyone with an agenda you do not agree with. Many of the Chaplains are not qualified to counsel children. You are the one dictating and forcing the idea of preaching in schools. The Church does not have the authority over public schools - we are living in a democratic secular society that values the separation of Church and State which also serves to protect Churches from governments. I am sure there is a case for arguing the School Chaplaincy program breaches the Constitution. The fact is we are not living in Communist China, Russia, Nazi Germany or in parts of the world where people are still killed and persecuted for their beliefs and where one worldview is enforced. Please don't let blind dogma override fair and rational thinking. Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 11:10:05 PM
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