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Myth vs reality: women and girls' timidity or real risk taking? : Comments

By Jocelynne Scutt, published 20/4/2011

There is no truth to the story that the glass ceiling is partly held in place by women's aversion to risk.

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Vanna will not be amused.

(Apologies to Queen Victoria).

:P
Posted by Ammonite, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 9:22:50 AM
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*What inhibits women's advancement is not women's skills, capacities, abilities or courage*

In that case I welcome a whole host of female entrepreneurs to
appear, to test their skills in the marketplace.

Feminists should stop whinging and let those girls show their
talent. Consumers will decide.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 10:25:53 AM
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All I see is a whole article trying to break apart one explanation while studiously avoiding explicitly stating an alternative explanation.

Just take a risk, and say it. Women's choices are all men's fault!

You don't see studies agonising about why!, oh why oh why, just why! men don't choose nursing more often. It MUST be because of the nasty women excluding them.

Any area where men are under-represented is considered due to *men*'s choice, or *men* being misogynists and sexist and not liking women's work or *men* not being content with the pay for 'women's work'. Yet when women don't choose men's jobs, it's also some big *male* misogynist conspiracy.

Translation: Everything is men's fault. Whatever women or men choose, it's men's responsibility. Men should jump through hoops and knock down walls and paint the world pink to accommodate (Nay attract and win over) women at every turn to any jobs women aren't interested in. Further, they should bloody well start draping themselves in pink while they're at it and stop *rejecting* women's jobs they themselves aren't interested in.

Give me a break!

I think it's time we encouraged nursing to be more male inclusive. It's a female dominated culture of caring and nurturing and it excludes men by rejecting their aspirations to be confrontational hard cases lacking in empathy. Tea rooms should be banned and women nurses should be forced to play golf in their spare time rather than the male-exclusionary tactic of going for coffee.

Are feminists so repulsed by women, their likes, dislikes and the female dominated areas of society, that they think the only prestige in being human is liking what men like?

Is it a crime to make friends at work, play golf and talk about work on the golf course? If so, what about women and those insular 'female cultured' misandrist 'mothers' groups deliberately formed to exclude men?

Gimme a grant and I'll study them!
Posted by Houellebecq, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 3:12:48 PM
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'I drank with them, defeated them at snooker, laughed at their jokes. Suprisingly, it worked. They paid attention, met their responsibilities yet all the while I squirmed inside. How could I prostitute all I had come to believe in as worth fighting for? I knew then I had to get out: if male power was needed to survive, I certainly did not need it.'

I went for coffee, started to use cosmetics, engaged them in emotional post-mortems of their personal romantic relationship conflicts. Surprisingly, it worked. They paid attention, met their responsibilities yet all the while I squirmed inside. How could I prostitute all I had come to believe in as worth fighting for? I knew then I had to get out: if female power was needed to survive in the P&C, the tuckshop, the parental social groups and the part-time job sector, I certainly did not need it.'
Posted by Houellebecq, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 3:28:02 PM
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There's aptitude and there's interest.

Sure, I have the aptitude to raise children, creating stimulating educational play, 'multi-tasking', managing a home and socialising while creating a social environment and network with my kids for my kids, taking an active role in their education etc. I could do it very well. I have the skills and the aptitude.

But do I have the motivation? Am I interested enough? Can I stomach all that coffee? Can I endure all that chit chat? Can I be social with people and spend the majority of my time with people with different life interests and outlook? Can I deal with the overload of oestrogen, can I be bothered fitting in with the existing social conventions of 'little presents' and compliments about hair cuts and bitch sessions about the parenting choices of the less popular parents? Would I enjoy that female dominated culture and environment?

Or would I rather just spend my day in the workforce, predominantly left to my own solitude, getting deep into a problem with no interruptions, getting a token deposit in a bank account as reward that is happily spent on my family that I can enjoy with them.

Hmmm. Which would make me happier.

Hey! Maybe I could do some studies into how all the mothers of the world are in conspiracy, excluding me and wasting my talents! They should be made to change to suit me, and to make that role in life more interesting and rewarding for me!

It's all their fault that I don't want to be in this female dominated culture! They must change! My choices are their responsibility!
Posted by Houellebecq, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 3:51:55 PM
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"the evidence puts paid to the proposition that it is girls and women who limit their own horizons through timidity" blah, blah, blah.

What evidence?

Who gave the proposition?

What are the names of the people who gave the evidence or made the proposition?

I think the author has made the whole thing up.

In fact, I'm sure the author has made the whole thing up.
Posted by vanna, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 3:56:39 PM
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