The lack of choice in many circumstances (industries blah blah) is real Houel... exclusive of women and all effeminate males usually.

I think the point might have been that men can choose nursing – it is only other men that hassle them about it. I doubt any conspiracy, just the way things have evolved. Mindsets and all that, hard to break – probably the fems think they have to go a little over the top to really change it and perhaps they are correct.

Now your girls, they can be anything (do I have to do a disclaimer?), as long as they understand if they choose a mechanics course they will be out numbered and the males will bully them. If you had sons they could be anything but if they choose nursing they will be outnumbered too and the females will want to go out with them.

How many classically female jobs are there out there compared to traditional male jobs?

How come there are these lists of what men like and what women like? I think they only came about through many generations instilling some very weird shet in children’s heads about what boy things are and what girl things are and there is no such thing as the individual or much allowance made for just how flexible people really are.

Isn’t that socialism or something?

Now if you will excuse me I have a goblin hoard to kill and I have to buy a longsword and a bronze shield. My character on the game is male otherwise you gotta put up with males hitting on you, on the other hand they wouldn’t attack me if I was a female character. Tricky tossing up the pros and cons really but nice to be able to at least choose a gender online that works better in the given environment.

I don't think women in large groups are any less exclusionary than men in large groups Jewely.

'it is only other men that hassle them about it. '
Oh come on! How many women would chase after a nurse vs a professional athlete or merchant banker with a house on the beach? How many women are still suss about men around children?

'I doubt any conspiracy, just the way things have evolved.'
That's the way it's always put across; Secret meetings of The Patriarchy!

'out numbered and the males will bully them'
Ooooh the dangers of men in large groups. Run! Hide! Lock up your daughters!

'the females will want to go out with them.'
The female nurses want to go out with doctors luvvy. What world are you living in?

'How many classically female jobs are there out there compared to traditional male jobs? '
It just so happens there are more traditional female jobs. All that is required is popping out a kid to qualify too.

My argument is, if women truly want to get the keys to the boardroom (And I'm not sure they really do) all they need do is give up the keys to the nursery. Guys will do whatever attracts women. Wearing an apron and being a domestic god just doesn't seem to attract women in the numbers that being a rich guy with power does.

The more women who have kids and 6 weeks later say, dear, I would love it if you would stay home to support me in my truck driving career, it would really do it for me, the more men would see this as an avenue, and the more jobs would be gender balanced with acceptable (to primary carers) working conditions.

But, of course, this is all nonsense, as men are responsible for 'societal expectations', and women are always victims of them. Men's attitude and behaviour must change to suit women, and women must never be made responsible for their choices, or the choices or 'culture' of a singular 'women'.

“ I don't think women in large groups are any less exclusionary than men in large groups Jewely.”

Good that there’s usually a male boss to settle ‘em all down then eh. Nah I honestly think women are better at including men.

“That's the way it's always put across; Secret meetings of The Patriarchy!”

True true but I’ve heard males complain a lot about the Old Boys Clubs too.

“Ooooh the dangers of men in large groups. Run! Hide! Lock up your daughters!”

Umm.. even small groups Houel, c’mon you know how nasty males can be and the thing is they are more often found in groups in the workforce than the females are.

When did this become about attracting women? But yes I think if they want the big career they shouldn’t sacrifice the kids to achieve it. Not sure how to go about that, have kids younger? Poirot said it wasn’t such a biggy having that time at home though so it should work for either parent.

“But, of course, this is all nonsense, as men are responsible for 'societal expectations', and women are always victims of them. Men's attitude and behaviour must change to suit women, and women must never be made responsible for their choices, or the choices or 'culture' of a singular 'women'.”

I dunno – who’ve been the bosses in the world the longest? Seems a very recent thing all the feminist stuff. Victims umm…. Maybe they are. Maybe some are victims of feminists as well. And I just got pwned by the damn goblins cause I was cooking dinner at the same time. Can’t say that though had to make up some rubbish about the damn wife nagging me to distraction so the other men (who are all probably women) go easy on me.
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The author doesn't seem to consider the possibility that men and women are simply different and therefore want different things. I'm sure that most women are capable of training to be a plumber. But how many women want to spend their days unblocking peoples toilets and digging trenches? Good money in plumbing though.
The same probably applies to CEO positions. Maybe most women don't want to pend 60 hours a week at work. They may like to spend more time with their families.
I suspect we will always see the different genders favour particular occupations. Not because of any genuine barriers but simply because they are different and want different things out of life.

There was an article published about blowing the whistle into an empty room.

Basically data/evidence was turned into gobbly goop. So the review process involved creating rubbish.

This sort of process happens when certian parties do not want to deal with what the data/evidence shows.

A similar process is undertaken by feminists academics Daphne Patai called it Sophistry and labelled these spin sisters as sophistists.

In psychological terms the process of denying, particularly when reality is too uncomfortable to accept envolves processes like rationalisation, transference and projection.

So typically a lawyer who is adept at making mental gymnastic twists and turns, would have very little difficulty in rationalizing away certain things which would other wise be uncomfortable to accept, thus avoiding internal conflict between what is being taught by feminist propaganda and what is actually happening.

As Holly points out, it is much easier to blame men, than to accept responsiblity for the consequences of one's own behaviour.

Statistics only tell us the numbers, they don't inform about the why?

What about women who choose to stay at home and raise children or are happy being receptionists or nurses. I would choose nursing or reception work over many of the high level jobs in the private sector or in the public sector - at least you get to keep your soul. That might sound a bit alarmist but not too removed from reality in some industries. If you get to play with the big boys and girls you might not like what you have to become to stay in the game. That goes for men as well as women, these are not gender specific considerations.

Breaking the glass ceiling is not all it is cracked up to be but it is possible for women to make choices that were not available even 20 years ago. There are many women now in business working for themselves, and many entrepreneurs you just don't get to hear about them.

What a mad world we live in. We get articles and masculinists bemoaning and pushing the perception that girls are outstripping boys at school and boys are being pushed out of career options, feminist education systems blah blah. Then turn the page and the feministst are bemoaning the lack of risk taking by girls and wondering why they aren't choosing all the jobs that the radical masculinists think they are taking from the boys.

Groupthinking on both accounts.

"Tendency of the members of a group to yield to the desire for consensus or unanimity at the cost of considering alternative courses of action. Group-think is said to be the reason why intelligent and knowledgeable people make disastrous decisions."
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