one really needs to be concerned about xtian values
[having just sat through the glorification of that most gory

to wit the anzac's that murder
parading up and down the main steets of every trown and city
and a dawn service of those in the darkness..

[failing to see the gory of war...
we will remember them;..being dead..
not remember the risen christ...who proved
even the least amoung us conquer's..* death

[death where is thy sting?]

we need wonder at what values glory war's gore..
the day after..the re-birth/reserction..non death..of the peacemaker

look at the time's..we sit watching old men
who were the 'luckey' few..who didnt die
when their govt sent them to die..
in futile wars

there is seemingly no end to these wars
revealing the joke of xtian values

lest we forget to remember

where was the real time [live]..coverage
of mankinds messiah's death
and survival over death?

where the parades glorying in the deeds
of xtians and buddists and muslims..to the greater glory of peace
to the greater glory of the one true god..sustaining even the war mongers their living?

why are you missing the big picture
no sooner has the 'peace maker' resercted
than the warmongers glory in the deaths by their wars

we talk of the fallen
but what of the lost poor outcast and forgotten
what of peace..where the glory..where the value of death meaning dead

am i the only one remembering
the day after christs reserction
is a day held sacred
to his continuing to live[to life/living]
not the death of children..not to the glory of war

bah talk about values
like a blind man talking of light

its easy to pretend to love the dead
but when comes seing the value of war dying

think
what are we fighting for
if not living for peace..at least dont die to prolong war

Jim Wallace unlike Chrys Stevenson and others posting here know what its like to put their life on the line for this country. Chrys Stevenson might be able to speak for the god deniers/haters but certainly not for the general population . Her god hating ideas are far more extreme than this man who put his life on the line to allow the likes of Chrys and Rusty the freedom to spread their bile.

@ Jim Wallace ACL, @ Monday, 25 April 2011 7:52:20 AM & 8:23:15 AM

What really is the significance of one comment of one person in one context, and thei opinions about the role of th KLV 400 years ago?

Jim, you are stuck in reference of sound-bite from authority, and sound-bite about it, and sound bite to tradtion.

@ runner, the previous role of someone has no bearing on the merits of their pronouncements.

Arguments should stand on their current merits.

Values should stand on their own current merits, too - respect, honour, consideration, etc

It's bad enough that we're expected to doff our caps at the sanctimonious crap preferred by the ACL (and a great retort that's gone unanswered, Rusty), but a double helping bringing in the anzacs is more than I can bear. It's bad enough putting up with the wall to wall wallowing on tv and radio today. I'm sick of hearing what the anzacs died for. They died for swallowing the same patriotic bilge (and enlisting) that they're legend is now being used to perennially recycle.
Australian values are called expediency and the church deserves plenty of credit for their institutionalisation.

The degree to which Jim Wallace's or Chrys Stevenson's views are extreme has nothing whatever to do with their truth. Nor has Mr. Wallace's background. But he is mistaken in his views as to the morality of homosexual activity; he is mistaken in his view about the relation between Christianity and morality, he is mistaken in his acceptance of the writings of St. Paul, and he is mistaken in his view about what he should do about Australian laws.

I find it extraordinary how un-Australian many of the posts have been in this thread, with so much religious bigotry. Someone posted a listing of our nation's supposed values. We would do well to try and live up to those values and not show ourselves to be shallow hypocrites.

Jewely, I was disappointed by your early post - which seemed distinctly anti-Christian. Perhaps you were carried away by your concern for the article's purported Christian conspiracy to limit your personal freedoms. I hope so.

Kenny,
"Just as your god person isn't real your version of history isn't either."

Well, Kenny, I am sad to say this post of yours unfortunately conveys one of the major problems facing our global society today, as have a large number of posts on this thread - that of religious intolerance. It has been made clear in many articles and posts elsewhere that our enlightened society prefers separation of church, state and judiciary, and a secular society and political system. Many countries are in civil conflict trying to come to terms with these or similar ideals. Fortunately we are not, but still look for improvements.

In my ideal world there is but one God (or Allah, Jehovah) to believe in or not as the individual may choose, as also we must accept those cultures which have other or multiple deities. What is so disappointing is the "them and us" still so prevalent and destructive in some belief systems, or a corrupted form perhaps of those belief systems.

It is time for the discrediting of labels like "infidel" or non-believer, for they don't sit well with the tolerant teachings of their parent religion, and certainly not with the view of an open, tolerant and constructive global society. So much strife in the world today because of jealousy, covertness and greed, cloaked in the name of religious or political aspirations. We have seen this sort of bigotry and intolerance in pogroms, holocaust, genocides, ethnicides or religiocides. Surely it is time in our small world to help each other to achieve true freedom, security and enlightenment.