Thank you for your honesty OUG, and quite right....

" there god must be
thats good enough for me
that we do to/for the least..we do to him"

That! OUG.....I understand. That middle/natural/neutral ground sure is quite a comfortable place to exist in, and Iam sure there's more of you, with just that type of feelings towards life. However, not all see it as we are, ( Mankind is futuristic, but caving and both of us will be forever profoundly different in our definitions of what the origins of life are, and I hope you find yours, with peace in your heart from your readings of/Him/Her and not the controlling evil one,s, who wish to suppress all in the name of what evolved in us. You know, the one's that's miles away from any reliability of truth, that most take for granted. ( thats freedom to be free )...OUG... It is indeed...A FUNNY OLD WORLD.

All the best

QL

i would love to be able to visit youtube links

but my server simply refuses to acces youtube*

from what i can make out from reading the tab
its about the origen of species..

but i can only acces as far as that
thus of course
i cant watch/let alone comment...there

but please
name what they say was the first life
or the origen of life..i have rebutted so many of them
had too many comments..and lengthy debates deleted..when they lost

i recall debating with dorkins..
re his flat fish theory

he claims
..they 'evolved'..because their eyes dragged in the mud]..lol
..[yet the fry..[young]..flatfish arnt flat..
..indeed look like any other fish

thats when he got rid of..all the posts i posted
they simply pretend it never happend

but mate please post a summery

here..!

not being able to acces you tube is a pain
a fool left a comment on my vidio

PlexusMusic has made a comment on

about the unseen cause..
logus love harmonics resonating
light/love via logic into life..:

he said..""What a load of crappp[edited].
And another minute of my life fu4c3d..[edited]..up.""

i been trying to reply;..

:your life is the sum total
of the moments..*you chose

if all your choices were bad
then you really had..*a bad life

but remember
that..*it was your choice

ps..
[im sure the clip ran longer than a minute]

i did it
when grayham banned me for a month
just trying out..a different 'way'..to exchange opinions

but it just wasted my download limits
and half an hour downloading pictures/editing

publishing uploading it took much longer..
but this was on my old acces provider

".... we should be asking how tolerant is a minority lobby determined to redefine an institution for its own political agenda, when the institution has so much deep cultural, and in many cases religious, significance for so many."
Posted by Jim Wallace, Australian Christian Lobby, Thursday, 21 April 2011 12:06:27 PM

So prophetic, Jim, Given your ANZAC day tweet and tangental addressing of your intent.

i noted..in watching a wedding recently
the future pope of great briton..was wearing an army uniform*

for me that summed up,,the war like footing..
that has highjacked xtianity

clearly as revealed in previous posts..these lands
are ruled under the articles of war..thus the values of war

as witnessed by the near genocide and..internment in camps
their decendants still live on..to this day

lest we forget the lost/generations
or the stolen/wages

or the high imprisonment of the natives
let alone the deaths in custody

[numericly high
but reflective..of suicides in prisons generally..]

only their high percentage..[disproportuinatly/representive]..
imprisoned mainly because the legal service facilitates their incarceration..so as to steal their kids..

and remove the father..from the family unit

yes
true xtian/values indeed

the sooner we end this deviated xtian values/style
of xtian values..[insanity]..[lol..value]..the better

today the door knocking xtian sect..visited
telling me of how..the lord is comming

let me quote from the text[called]
'what is gods kingdom'...[personally i feel
revelations covers that..[he is enthroned in our hearts..or not]

..and emanuel
[god within us all]

but back to their quote

""gods kingdom..which is a real govt..
will soon bring..an end to all wickedness""

i told them jesus
didnt judge no-one

who is there to judge sin or sinner
certainly not the christ..[recall the non-stoning?]

he served even the least..his own cloak..etc
he LIVED for loving nerighbour
not casting guilt upon perceieved..self adjudged/sin

regardless..lets quote some more

''kingdom..governed by king
[the reserction of christ?]''

thing is jesus isnt dead
he appeared before his followers..[read the book]
to prove there is no spiritual death..

[and no reserction day/no judgment day]

''vision/prophet daniel'

now a prophet
as such recieves comunication from heaven

why arnt xtians doing this today...?

why?..[read on]

''daniel..i kept on beholding the vision''

get it...

'a vision..of the 'night'..

now heaven is in the light
no night ever..

heaven is perpetual..'day'[light]

but read on

''see there!..
..a son of man''

to wit..not god
[jesus born of woman demon-strated
what all men..will do in time..
to wit survive...'death'
heal sin..love neighbour..

love good]

but read on

[jesus?]..""happend to be comming;..

and...""

continues

""..to the ancient..*of days'"
[ie to god]

.."'he gained acces*''

.."'and they?...bought him up close..
even before that one..[ie god]''

now 'they'..may be angels
[following his 'death'..@..passover]

or they could be us
[now us putting him before god
contradicts the first law...having none [NO ONE}..before god]

andf so many xtians
simply cant swallow
him not* being god

but back to the quote

""and to him''..[ie this son of men]
''there were given rulership...and dignity...and kingdom''

so we wake up
pick a human
and pretend jesus has come

WHY?

''that the peoples
national groups and languages..should ALL SERVE..even him""

ie the prince of peace/love grace mercy..etc
now the thing is...god serves even the least to live

jesus[or this son of man]..
[prince of peace..anti/christ..whatever]
would need to do the same god does

[ie serve his living creation
not be served by it]
[this is where we are getting jesus teaching WRONG]
he did as he saw our father do
xtians MUST SERVE AS THE CHRIST SERVED

not be served
we get as we de-serve[by serving peace wrong]

ie end your darn war!

but back to the quote

""his rulership is imdefinatly lasting'
not perpetual..nor eternal..not forever
but indefinatly..

ie..[at the whim of those he serves
with peace...dignity/kingdom..and just
fair equal...unbiased..true..rulership

this..''..indefinite rulership
that will not passaway''

is clearly the good of god
channeled down to earth..from heaven
by means the church forbids..

[cause it cant tell that good from god
from that of the demions of the night..

but kids sure can know good from ill..
[to wit that good from christ..from the vile of demons]

and this is why
''his rulers ship is an indefinatly lasting..[value]...
that will not pass away''

[because we the people help tell good from ill
by voting out the world govt who gets it wrong...
immediatly its proven wrong]

''and his kingdomis the one
that will NOT BE BOUGHT TO RUIN*'

dan 7;13/14

well thats what i got so far

its funny leap
how you said...''Mankind is futuristic,''

as i went to sleep last night..
[the night the future pope...of the common wealth wed a comminer]

there was on the bbc
a guy..[phycotrist]..talking about two people
[patients...by intials

one[ep]...lived only
in the moment..[had no memory]
and was much like a zen monk...but quite disfunctional..
cause he couldnt..imagine tomorrow..nor recall yesterday...

the other [s..?]..rememberd everything

but couldnt discriminate that usefull..
from that totally useless

he could rabbit out everything
he had paid attention to..but
couldnt tell good from bad

so both these states are not good

i feel thats much like todays values
law judges by past judgments..not..wether it was fair

and cops live in the moment
policing things..they judge in the moment
irregardless of wether the law id fair or indeed legally unlawfull

ok xtains shouldnt judge..
it dont matter a hoot what was the reality yesterday

our living god lives..*in real time..
lives inside us all..*right now*

so saying though
i note the pope in a box
[well 3 boxes really]
[i understand porn is only double wrapped]

but see its the same thing
as that toughening up thing the army does
only this xtian version..is called can-anon-isation..

[not the armed forces..;bar-SS-teurd-isation]
that comes 'from' hell for sure

anything with the word
cannon in it..must be suss

unrelated
i wrote this learning
for the pope in boxes 3

wwho may or may not be in that dark place
where many of the middle ages popes dwell
[recall the inquisition..
;..direct from hell]

anyhow

what if you
were in a dark place,..say in a box
what difference to you..where that box is

how could you learn or care to learn the colour of the box
from within..its too dark to tell a black thread from a white thread

and the outside
well who cares

how would you know the box waas even the 'right-way' up
or the right branded lable...or indeed even if it were a box

anyhow
posting limit...lol

will finish the story
at the anzac thread...
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4432&page=0