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Cyberbullying, that schoolyard body slam, and footballers behaving badly : Comments

By Peter West, published 18/3/2011

School fights, once confined to the school yard can have an audience of millions, with severe ramifications for those involved.

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Divine_msn
I have rarely seen “incidents of physical intimidation and acts of violence” in a workplaces I have been in.

Incidents of physical intimidation and acts of violence normally occur at the later stages of bullying, but bullying has been controlled so that these latter stages do not develop.

I have seen horseplay occurring, but supervisors in the better companies are also required to keep horseplay to the very minimum because it so often ends in injury.

(EG. If someone wets another person with a water hose, and the other person runs away, they can run into something and gets injured)

As for dismissing teachers if they can’t control bullying amongst the students, well I have seen the whole top management structure of a major factory dismissed in one an afternoon because there was a high rate of injuries and lack of motivation in the workforce.

Every head of department was sacked or transferred, as it was believed management was not good enough, and this resulted in a high rate of injuries and lack of motivation in the workforce.

If there is extensive bullying in a school, then probably sack every teacher at senior level in the school, because they are incapable of controlling it.

Quite frankly bullying is one of the easy risks to control in some work environments. There are often many other risk that are much more difficult to control than bullying.

NB.
Duty of care was superseded a number of years ago by risk management legislation. Read up about risk management legislation.
Posted by vanna, Friday, 25 March 2011 4:26:01 PM
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So you have RARELY seen "incidents of physical intimidation and acts of violence" in the workplace. RARELY, but not NEVER. So what happened when such incidents DID occur?
Posted by Otokonoko, Friday, 25 March 2011 4:47:56 PM
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Poriot,
I would agree that schools exist in a world of their own, and are totally separate to the rest of the country.

As an example, there is a town in QLD that is known as the Skin Cancer Capital Of The World, because it has the highest rates of skin cancer of any town in the world.

The biggest school in the town has over 1,500 students (a public high school), but the school does not have a hat and sunglass policy.

Not only are the students not supervised when they are on the sports oval during lunch break, they do not have to wear a hat or wear sunglasses when they are in the sun during the hottest part of the day, and when the UV Index is normally at Extreme.

When the principle was asked why the students aren’t required to at least wear a hat, the principle replied that it would “mess up their hair”.

I can imagine if any employer in a company was told that their workforce is not required to wear a hat if they work in the sun during the hottest part of the day.

They would instantly burst out laughing.
Posted by vanna, Friday, 25 March 2011 4:50:56 PM
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Otokonoko

I'll probably run out of posts shortly.

“So what happened when such incidents DID occur?”

I saw incidents of it many years ago.

This was back in the days where safety was given minimal regard in many companies, and if a worker was injured, the company simply brought in another worker.

It may still occur in some of the poorly managed companies, but those companies will probably go out of business anyway.

As I have mentioned in a previous post, walking into a school is like stepping back 20-30 years in terms of management and administration.
Posted by vanna, Friday, 25 March 2011 4:59:19 PM
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While many towns in Queensland lay claim to the title of 'skin cancer capital of the world', one in particular stands out. I'll assume we're talking about the same NQ location. The largest school there - a school closer to 2000 students than 1500 - does indeed have quite a poor policy when it comes to hats. The uniform policy states that students are "strongly encouraged" to wear hats. I agree - pretty poor.

That said, we CAN'T be talking about the same school, because the principal there - a good friend of mine, though admittedly a controversial figure around town - would never state that students don't have to wear hats because it would mess up their hair. Indeed, he is very dismissive of hairstyles in general. Furthermore, the playground duty roster has not one, not two but three teachers on the ovals during break times. Quite severe disciplinary action is taken on the rare occasion that teachers either do not show up or are late for their duty.

Again I ask: what happens to employees who initiate acts of violence in industry? Surely (just as any good school must have a hat policy) there is a policy in place for this? I suspect you don't want to tell us because the answer would reinforce the argument that violent students should be suspended or expelled.
Posted by Otokonoko, Friday, 25 March 2011 5:28:57 PM
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Otokonoko,
The school I mentioned had a female principal, and currently has a cap of 1500 students. I have also noticed at least two other schools in that town that do not have a hat and sunglass policy for students.

If teachers cannot get students to wear a hat and sunglasses when the temperature is 35+ degrees, and the sun is fierce, and the UV Index is in Extreme, then I can understand why teachers have problems controlling bullying in the schools.

On an industrial site, the workforce will be wearing a safety helmet. They will also be wearing long sleeve shirt, long pants and safety boots. That is standard dress, or level one dress. From that the levels go up depending on the tasks, and can include hearing protection, safety glasses, full face shield, gloves, gas masks etc.

For a supervisor, to get an employee to wear their safety helmet is easy.

“Where is your safety helmet?”

“What happens if something drops on your head?”

“What happens if you hit your hear on a pipe?”

“Who has the time to pick you up?”

“Who has the time to take you to hospital?”

“When will you get out of hospital?”

Etc, etc, etc.

If a supervisor cannot get their employees to wear their safety helmet, then the supervisor is removed, because there are many, many other tasks that are much more difficult than wearing a safety helmet.
Posted by vanna, Saturday, 26 March 2011 7:48:30 AM
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